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Which foot do you weight in a turn?

I've been reading a lot of controversay about this on another board.. some say weight the outside foot, some say weight the inside foot. I've always put my weight on the outside foot but I'm starting to think that's wrong. If I weighted the inside foot it'd help eliminate the feeling that I'm slipping off the bike too. Tell me I'm wrong so I HAVE to go to the track to correct my bad stance. But seriously, what's the dealio?
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I've been reading a lot of controversay about this on another board.. some say weight the outside foot, some say weight the inside foot. I've always put my weight on the outside foot but I'm starting to think that's wrong. If I weighted the inside foot it'd help eliminate the feeling that I'm slipping off the bike too. Tell me I'm wrong so I HAVE to go to the track to correct my bad stance. But seriously, what's the dealio?
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Ive never been to the track, so my input is worthless, but I will give it anyway

I weight outside foot when counterwieghting (lowspeed), and weight inside foot when countersteering.(highspeed)

I bet many will say whatever works best for you...........

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I have always been instructed to weight the inside foot - But, I am no expert

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I thought it was weight on the inside foot while in the turn and then transfer the weight to the outside foot on exit to help stand the bike up quicker. I think I've heard that before not 100%.

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I'm no expert either, but I've read that you put weight on the inside peg when turning, and the outside when you want to bring it up. It does make a big difference, (easier) to intiate turn in at high speeds by pressing down on the inside peg.

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I'm looking for some replies from the A group guys? Ken where are ya?! I've gotten fast enough where if I'm weighing the outside foot it's sliding off the footpeg (almost fell off the bike before completely lol).

I think weighing the outside foot would help cause a high side over a low slide also...

If you weight the inside foot you could also use your outside knee against the tank? I think it would also effectively move your center over gravity more off the bike in the direction you want to lean.
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Inside.

Outside if you wanna back it in.

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Inside.

Outside if you wanna back it in.


really? I always thought that it was outside so that you had more weight higher on the tire, less prone to lowside. Not that I could ride at speeds that would warrant that type of thinking though.

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Inside.

Outside if you wanna back it in.
when i had the stock foot pegs, my inside foot used to hit the ground, so i would actually just take the inside foot completely off the peg so i could lean it more, and thats why i would always slide her in

i think that its all more about what kindof corner your in, they are not all the same, and you have to make minor adjustments.

i just took the bike out and confirmed i change the weight on the pegs depending on what i want the bike to do.

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Not sure if riding a 250 translates at all to the big bikes but I weigh the outside peg the entire corner. My inside peg almost has no pressure on it as it's basically just kinda sitting there with almost no weight on it.
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Outside peg.

Keith Code says so.

He also explains why.

How can you put weight on a inside peg when it's under the bike during the turn, you can't. Putting weight on the outside peg putts the pressure pushing the bike down...Traction.

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Just checked with TOTW II by Code......he says outside in order to 'pivot steer' Sometimes I have hard time understanding that guy WEird writing style.

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Inside for turn in and then to the outside for the rest of the turn. I weight the outside so I can stand the bike up as much as possible through the turn. It also helps me to hang off better. Although I am a slow I rider with short legs so that might have something to do with it. I'll ask Jason Pridmore at my class next week. He might have some insight on that subject.

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Spencer teaches....... outside thigh into the tank, inside toe
pointed at the apex weighting the inside peg, no weight on your
arms... light grip on the bars.


Use of weighting the outside peg.....

Once the bike is turned and pointed in the direction you want to go,
weighting the outside peg helps the bikes to stand up on the meat
of the tire so that you can add throttle. Always reduce lean angle before
you add throttle.... the bigger the HP the more important this is.


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Inside for turn in and then to the outside for the rest of the turn. I weight the outside so I can stand the bike up as much as possible through the turn. It also helps me to hang off better. Although I am a slow I rider with short legs so that might have something to do with it. I'll ask Jason Pridmore at my class next week. He might have some insight on that subject.


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To turn a bike must be leaned over.

To lean a motorcycle it must ROTATE !

Countersteering helps the motorcycle rotate.

All of your physical inputs should also help the motorcycle rotate.


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Outside peg.

Keith Code says so.

He also explains why.

How can you put weight on a inside peg when it's under the bike during the turn, you can't. Putting weight on the outside peg putts the pressure pushing the bike down...Traction.

Huh?

I carry 60% of my weight on the inside peg and 25% on the seat when entering a turn. Mid-turn I probably have 40% on my inside peg and 40% on the seat. The rest is spread between the tank, outside peg, and bars.

Both of those pegs connect to the same frame, thus the weight gets transferred to the wheels either way. I think the difference in weighting technique has to do with how fast/easily you can transition the bike onto the fat part of the tire on exit.

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Easiest way to transition on exit is to PUSH the bike away from you with your arms on exit while your body remains inside. The weight will take care of itself and you will decrease lean angle, increase contact patch at the same time while maintaining proper weight on the INSIDE of the centerline of the tank in the turn.

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nick, what blarney and wink said is correct, in my view and in my style if riding.

this way also works for me, i have tried it a few differarnt methods but same as blarney and wink, this is what works, and works fast, and more so makes the bike do what you want it to do with less effort of trying to man handle the thing or over leaning.

when i say over leaning, i see some people HANG to far offa bike at the wrong point of apex.


differant story, try these methods slowly and then progessivly push harder, youll see what we are talking about.



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What Championship did Keith Code win again ?


Spencer teaches....... outside thigh into the tank, inside toe
pointed at the apex weighting the inside peg, no weight on your
arms... light grip on the bars.


Use of weighting the outside peg.....

Once the bike is turned and pointed in the direction you want to go,
weighting the outside peg helps the bikes to stand up on the meat
of the tire so that you can add throttle. Always reduce lean angle before
you add throttle.... the bigger the HP the more important this is.


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Good point. Wasn't citing him to argue for the outside method, just bringing it up to see what the fast guys think of it. I admittedly know [email protected]#! about going fast, so I'm not arguing either cuz I don't know anything other than weighting the inside feels more natural to me.

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Who is that ronhix guy in this thread?

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You can argue this topic until the cows come home.. but there's probably not a real right or wrong way to do things. It's probably more about what works for you and what doesn't work for you. You can say that dropping your shoulder and pointing you toe which ever way is the correct way but we all know that Mick Doohan doesn't do that. Neither does Kevin Schwantz. So do whatever is comfortable and works for you. Most of the time, you're not even aware of what peg your weighing anyway.
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Outside peg.

Keith Code says so.

He also explains why.

How can you put weight on a inside peg when it's under the bike during the turn, you can't. Putting weight on the outside peg putts the pressure pushing the bike down...Traction.

This is why I originally weighted the outside peg, makes sense but I dunno.
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I'm definitely going to try weighing the inside peg. The outside peg feels unnatural to me and like I said before almost caused me to fall off the bike before. I'll let ya guys know what the conclusion is after I get out on the track again.
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I suck at trying to explain myself over the net, but here is a small fiddy cent on the topic.
Ill try to make it simple using my version WE ARE GOING TO MAKE A RIGHT HAND CORNER

ENTERING:


You’re ripping ass down a stretch about to come to a corner

Set yourself to the outside of the turn
proper gear downshift/ while breaking with the front only , set you your ass and shoulder to the inside SET THIS ALL BEFORE leaning the bike over you start your turn, then
"start moving your head and the shoulder will follow,

"once you get the hang of all above you should be able to downshift while breaking and then position your body ALL in a SMOOTH FLUID MOTION" once you do then at the last moment roll the head and keep your head kind of like where your mirror use to be this will AID in keeping that weight and body position correct while entering the apex while getting to the center of it.
get use to using your head to move your body while in and out of a turn to also add weight to the inside or back to center while exiting this helps me.

NOW WE COUNTERSTEER:


NOW, push off your right foot and push the right bar "remember your body has been already set to the inside by now"
BAM the bike how now just FLICKED OVER!


at this rate your back SMOOTHLY on the gas either holding some gas to keep the proper geometry of the bike or ever so slightly giving it some acceleration "NOT MUCH MIND YOU" DONT try to make up for lost ground when leaned over to the edge cause you went in to slow" that’s up to you and how good your skills and bike set up is to handle a FAST/HOT entry "setting your entry speed"


STARTING TO EXIT


Your past the center of the apex, at this rate YOUVE ALREADY BEEN LOOKING INTO AND THROUGH the apex and have been focusing on the EXIT
Start applying some outside leg pressure and little pressure on the left bar the more the bike rolls off the edge movign upright the MORE GAS you’re giving it.
And if you’re straight up and down, you better be at FULL THROTTLE BY NOW.




each of these steps, practice along as it takes to get to become smooth with your shifting and breaking and positioning your body around, getting into and through the apex and back up to full upright and back to full throttle.
KEY THINGS TO REMEMBER, be SMOOTH to not upset the suspension because of your throttle application, your body positioning and your moment of OFF THE BREAKS AND BACK ON TO THE GAS WHILE ENTERING, ALSO MIND keeping the limit of traction under control till your almost upright to go full throttle.



These method will yield you FAST flick rates, and easier to apply more gas while getting back up to full upright position.

just be mindful to slowly work up, the faster you go the faster shit happens and the faster your mind has to keep up and you have to correct for something happening, rear tire starts to slide on entry, or mid or my favorite exiting, the front end starts to push both of the corrections goes into twist the bars the other way and dirtbikeyour ass out of it, or modulating with gas.


and my FAVORITE TIP of getting faster on general is, either your full on the gas or breaking is a sure way of getting faster. trail breaking for any amount of distance wont get you no where fast. gas, break, gas break, gas break.




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I'm definitely going to try weighing the inside peg. The outside peg feels unnatural to me and like I said before almost caused me to fall off the bike before. I'll let ya guys know what the conclusion is after I get out on the track again.
I think you will like it Nick, it works well for me.

1. Sit up real close to the tank
2. Get your body off to the inside
3. Really press down on that inside peg with the ball of your foot
4. Lead through the turn with your forehead
5. Drop your inside elbow straight down
6. Rest your outside arm across the tank
7. Outside should hold on the bike by gripping the tank
8. Relax your upper body and feel the the traction level of the tires

The only possible problem is that the bike will turn so fast that you may run off the inside of the turn...

Let us know your personal experience with this after you try it.

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Keith Code barely understands the physics of a modern motorcycle IMO.

While some of his teaching is good ( visual disciplines ) his deal about peg-weighting, coutnersteering and the no-bs bike are inconsistent with
the physics model and genrally disputed ( directly or indirectly ) by the
actions and comments of almost all of todays top riders.....


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