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Building a track??

I'm pretty sure someone did the numbers. How much would it cost to build a track?

Biggest cost probably would be the cost of the land and laying down asphalt and a couple port o poties.

It doesnt have to be a Laguna Seca.
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When Speed aired the Supersport/Superbike races at Miller Motorsports Park (new track) I thought they were talking about total costs in the hundreds of millions and the facility is not complete yet. Somebody remember the exact numbers?

I'm sure it could be done for much less but they were trying to attract World SBK, Moto GP & perhaps even F-1.
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I think he is talking about if you owned say 10 or 20 acres and just wanted to build your own private track.

Tom Cerkmx mite be able to help with this. Lets say you wanted to excavate a 10 turn 2 1/2 mile road course, so to hire someone to do that, then make sure its as even as you can make it, the gravel, then the price to lay the special pavement. I'll bet you could do it for a couple hundred grand.

That would be all kinds of awesome! It would be cool to have it nonpublic, invite only your good friends. But you'd have to think about safety to. When Monte first got the idea to start a certain track day org they used to rent Grattan. The riders would take turns corner working and have an ambulance hired to stand by.

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Yeah, if you had the space (and the cool neighbors) - you could probably string a few cool turns together that would be fun enough to play on for a couple hundred k's.

Nick makes a good point about the safety etc. You'd be better off building a flattrack in a cornfield someplace.

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Yeah, if you had the space (and the cool neighbors) - you could probably string a few cool turns together that would be fun enough to play on for a couple hundred k's.

Nick makes a good point about the safety etc. You'd be better off building a flattrack in a cornfield someplace.
The flattrack in the cornfield somewhere is probably more dangerous than the road racing course.

I know for a fact Buffalo Range and Badlands and anykind of off road riding is pretty damn dangerous, and there isn't a corner worker rite there to help or an ambulance.

There's some shit out at Buffalo that if you fuck up, YOU DIE!

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Ill chip in for the Port O Pottie.
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Its a cool idea, but sounds damn expensive.

What about a Supermoto track? those tend to be a lot smaller.

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Ill chip in for the Port O Pottie.

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you need atleast 1mill to make a decent track.



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Its a cool idea, but sounds damn expensive.

What about a Supermoto track? those tend to be a lot smaller.

If you think about it, its not that expensive. If you have the land, and a few friends with money.
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I remember hearing the numbers were closer to $5 million in startup expense for a facility approximately equal to Blackhawk or Putnam Park.

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So it cost 1 million dollars to make and pave a road 2 miles long?

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I mean damn just look at Autobahn, take out the high end race garages and all the facility items....

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We used Sebring in Florida was on old airport property, just added turns to hook together runways......

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They ran the 24 hours of Sebring there aswell..... MOROSO motor sports park similar to the set up at Autobauhn.... Just has grown and gotten better over the years..

Who's has some old FARMLAND in the family and enjoys racing...... Get a bunch of us and some freinds that are gitter dones, paving equipt, cement etc. CLSB track, then we rent it out to TRACK DAYS groups to finance the deal.....

Have the guys from EMR run it and KEN do schools there too..

Hell yeah, KEn forget the Dealership idea, lets build a track......

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You need to excavate the land, put in drainage ditches, get the right mix of concrete/whatever else is used to make the track surface... also need toilet facilities (At least porta potties) and a timing station/tower which also requires electricity. A lot of things involved.

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You can get a lot done with bartering, have some flat tracking (Harley guys) = Union workers = trade labor, have some mototard, MX, man you would be surprised what and who you could turn up. Carts, Fiddys!!

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Who's has some old FARMLAND in the family and enjoys racing......
I'll be inheriting a bunch of farmland eventually....
I'd be all for turning it into a track cause farming sucks!
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So it cost 1 million dollars to make and pave a road 2 miles long?


no, that would be alot cheaper to just do that.

there is alot more involed then just clearing a lane and paving it.



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What about zoning and environmental impact studies. That would eat up a huge pile of money.
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What about zoning and environmental impact studies. That would eat up a huge pile of money.

I wonder on some of that stuff if the village of the area would assist in that. If you think about it a race track of any kind should help local commerce, right? the added tax revenue might assist.

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making a decent racing surface would cost a small fortune.

lets say you make a 1 mile long road course 20 feet wide.

Excluding excavation, stone, compaction, framing, reinforcing,
you would need at least a 4" concrete slab.

5280 feet x 20 feet x .33 feet / 27 =

1290 cubic yards

decent structural concrete is 50-70 $ a yard

so its 80k or so in concrete alone.
also not including finishing, sawcutting and asphalt.

it would cost a million easily
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no, that would be alot cheaper to just do that.

there is alot more involed then just clearing a lane and paving it.
Yea, but for personal, private motorcycles only use, I;m betting it would be just fine to build a standard style road lay rock then lay black top. Make sure and have some good run off and road race your heart out! I'm in no way a construction worker or know much if any about building a road and what it all involves, but thats what it would boil down to. Nothing special you know? Keep highhorsepower heavy cars off of it only motorcycles and the place would last forever eh?

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Yea, but for personal, private motorcycles only use, I;m betting it would be just fine to build a standard style road lay rock then lay black top. Make sure and have some good run off and road race your heart out! I'm in no way a construction worker or know much if any about building a road and what it all involves, but thats what it would boil down to. Nothing special you know? Keep highhorsepower heavy cars off of it only motorcycles and the place would last forever eh?

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Before you guys get all your panties in a bunch take a look at what happened at AMP. It is in Arizona next to a Airforce base. No matter how much money you have the zoning laws take over and you will never get around that. Read up on what happened to AMP it was a tough pill to swallow.
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I know! Wanna come over and play on my new race track I built all by myself??? It's safe! I promise. I built it all by my little old self. See me! Little fat happy guy -----> I build race track, race track fun. YAY!!!

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lets build a race track out of sheets of powdered coated sheet metal. I know where we can get the sheets for real cheap.
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lets build a race track out of sheets of powdered coated sheet metal. I know where we can get the sheets for real cheap.
Fuck that, we can all run rain tires and just build a smooth dirt track! When it gets bumpy, just get the water truck and gratter out.

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