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post #1 of 49 (permalink) Old 08-15-2006, 01:30 PM Thread Starter
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Anyone use a gear indicator?

I've been thinking about picking one up for the ZX6R (track bike). I just have not been able to get used to the digital tach and find myself downshifing to much or too little going into corners (I find 3rd is my best gear for most corners)...but blazing down the straight and trying to break for T1 I lose track of where I'm at in my gears. I'm sure I'll get better at judging this with experience though.

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In my opinion you should listen and get used to the sound your engine makes.

Personally I count which gear I'm in when I'm on the track.

When I'm down shifting coming off a front straight at any track I count in my head. 5, 4, 3, 2. Then when I upshift I count back up again and I'm always keeping track in my head.

Waste of money in my opinion.

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I count as well for the most part. Once I have a track completely figured out and have my bike dialed in, it becomes second nature and I don't really need to know what gear I'm in as long as you hit your marks and know that turn 1 requires 4 downshifts, turn 3 requires 1 downshift, etc..
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or you could every once in awhile lose count and mistakenly drop a gear too low and get a nice surprise in your undies.
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It is built in to most new bikes. My GSXRs have the indicator in the dash. I still count in my head, but it is reassuring to know when you go into a corner HOT... that you are in 2nd or 3rd or whatever your preference is.

I have made one too many downshifts when counting in my head before... provides a total WAKE UP call!!

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Sprock/Gear Selection mite be part of the problem too. If it seams like you are always in a wrong gear or not in the RPM range you want to be in you need to play with different sprockets. Ideally you should be about a grand (maybe a little more or less) below Redline in top gear on the longest straight rite before you need to get into the brakes and start downshifting for the next turn.

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one more thing... if you're looking down at your gear indicator while breaking hard for a corner... ummm you're going to end up on your ear.
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Sprock/Gear Selection mite be part of the problem too. If it seams like you are always in a wrong gear or not in the RPM range you want to be in you need to play with different sprockets. Ideally you should be about a grand (maybe a little more or less) below Redline in top gear on the longest straight rite before you need to get into the brakes and start downshifting for the next turn.
that depends on the bike young nick.
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one more thing... if you're looking down at your gear indicator while breaking hard for a corner... ummm you're going to end up on your ear.
that would hurt...
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one more thing... if you're looking down at your gear indicator while breaking hard for a corner... ummm you're going to end up on your ear.
I had the exact one pictured added to my old '03 GSXR 1k. I liked it alot and was easy to program. Bought the plug-n-play harness but the wires are easy to find (on the website also). I haven't been on the track but I think it would help remind you what gear you're in (should look at the display BEFORE you go into the turns, braking).
Most newer bikes come with these but if you buy it, you can take it off and put it on your next bike if it doesn't have one.
It's a nice gadget and if you race, I bet you'd appreciate it's reassurance (especially shifting thru multiple gears at a time)!
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or you could every once in awhile lose count and mistakenly drop a gear too low and get a nice surprise in your undies.
hahaha....that's what I'm trying to avoid....but don't want to end up on my 'ear' either

I should try to get in the habit of counting in my head too...but being pretty new to the track there is just sooo much to think about...plus this is coming form a guy that if chewing gum and riding at the same time I always end up taking a bite of the side of my cheek

I might give it a try...feeling a little blue...ordering something for my bike always cheers me up (for a little while at least)

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hahaha....that's what I'm trying to avoid....but don't want to end up on my 'ear' either

I should try to get in the habit of counting in my head too...but being pretty new to the track there is just sooo much to think about...plus this is coming form a guy that if chewing gum and riding at the same time I always end up taking a bite of the side of my cheek

I might give it a try...feeling a little blue...ordering something for my bike always cheers me up (for a little while at least)
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that depends on the bike young nick.
Ok, yea, you are correct.

Lets say you're on your Land Missle 175 HP 750 or 1000. And you aren't using 6th gear. You should be able to hold 5th or maybe even 4th on the longest straight up almost to the top, then get into your braking and downshifts. Being able to hold that gear is less time on the clock for a lap time.

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hahaha....that's what I'm trying to avoid....but don't want to end up on my 'ear' either

I should try to get in the habit of counting in my head too...but being pretty new to the track there is just sooo much to think about...plus this is coming form a guy that if chewing gum and riding at the same time I always end up taking a bite of the side of my cheek

I might give it a try...feeling a little blue...ordering something for my bike always cheers me up (for a little while at least)
eh... once you go thru one of the "oh shit!" moments you learn to count WELL the rest of the day.
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i think 1000cc guys shift like 4 times a lap at BHF. I shift 21 times per lap. What are you doing on the SV?
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eh... once you go thru one of the "oh shit!" moments you learn to count WELL the rest of the day.
always remember Brian... real race bikes don't have engine braking
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i think 1000cc guys shift like 4 times a lap at BHF. I shift 21 times per lap. What are you doing on the SV?
At BHF I use a 15/47 combo. I'm just at 9500 RPM (about a grand below red line) in 6th on the front straight before I start downshifting and getting into the brakes.

Blip down 3 gears to 3rd for turn 1. Carry 3rd through the exit of 1 and upshift to 4th and hold 4th almost to redline for the carousel, roll out of the gas a little and maybe feather the brakes a tad, blip down to 3rd for the bus stop and carry 3rd out of the bus stop through that slight left hander and short shift to 4th for the sweeping left hander (5), aim for the access road and carry 4th all the way out of turn 5, shift to 5th and roll it on almost to redline, grab a down shift to 4th and some brakes for turn 6 and carry 4th through the exit and up to redline for the exit of 6, shift to 5th and 6th on the back side and come down 3 gears to 3rd for 7.

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At Blackhawk on an SV, I'm doing:

6th to 4th, into T1
click to 5th for T2
down to 4th for T3
3rd for the bus stop
4th before T5
hit 5th in the middle of T5
down to 3rd for 6a
4th right before 6b
up to 6th on the back straight
down to 3rd gear for T7
and back up to 6th on the straight.

18 shifts total... I think I really should be taking Turn 1 in 3rd gear though, so that would make it 20 shifts if I did that.

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At Blackhawk on an SV, I'm doing:

6th to 4th, into T1
click to 5th for T2
down to 4th for T3
3rd for the bus stop
4th before T5
hit 5th in the middle of T5
down to 3rd for 6a
4th right before 6b
up to 6th on the back straight
down to 3rd gear for T7
and back up to 6th on the straight.

18 shifts total... I think I really should be taking Turn 1 in 3rd gear though, so that would make it 20 shifts if I did that.
Try holding a gear into turn 3, try not down shifting before that turn.

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You stay in 4th gear exiting turn 2? I bounce off the rev limiter when I do that... I'm running -1 +2 gearing at the moment

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always remember Brian... real race bikes don't have engine braking
yeah... yeah...
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You stay in 4th gear exiting turn 2? I bounce off the rev limiter when I do that... I'm running -1 +2 gearing at the moment
You are running a 14 front 46 rear? If so Thats why.

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I want one.

I am too stupid to remember which gear I'm in and frequently screw this up.

I have also found myself often cruising down the highway in 5th not realizing that I should go into 6th to save my transmission...imagine my problems on the track!

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Try holding a gear into turn 3, try not down shifting before that turn.
do most sv guys do that? That just doesn't seem right.
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I've got the accumen indicator on my R6. It is useful for the 1st time at a new track when getting reference points & shift points down.

After you know the track, it's just bling.
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do most sv guys do that? That just doesn't seem right.
Shit man I don't know what other people do. I can sure run consistant 17's with that technique though.

It doesn't seam rite to you because you are used to the 2 stroke, I can pretty much thump out of any corner with my 4 stroke V-twin. If I get caught below my power band it isn't that big of deal, I just grab a handful and thump away. You are a dead fish in the water if you get caught below a what 10 grand?

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I have also found myself often cruising down the highway in 5th not realizing that I should go into 6th to save my transmission...imagine my problems on the track!
I do the same thing on my Speed Triple...but I don't mind as much b/c I like the way the bike sounds when it's wound up (triples have the best sound!)

...maybe I should get a wiring harness for both bikes and then I can switch the indicator between them....

Anybody know of other manufacturers? (maybe something a little less pricey?...but not lower quality)

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Shit man I don't know what other people do. I can sure run consistant 17's with that technique though.

It doesn't seam rite to you because you are used to the 2 stroke, I can pretty much thump out of any corner with my 4 stroke V-twin. If I get caught below my power band it isn't that big of deal, I just grab a handful and thump away. You are a dead fish in the water if you get caught below a what 10 grand?
That's true and it obviously works for you. but you still need to find 14 seconds at RA
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2:30's on a lightweight bike at RA is fucking insane... how the hell can anyone do that with a top speed of 125??

Oh yeah back on topic... never used a gear indicator, but oddly enough I use a very strange method of counting that I can't seem to shake, like when I exit turn 7, I'll do a countdown when I shift like 2, 1, 0 when I shift to 4th, 5th, and then 6th. Sometimes when I mess up and I'm a gear low I actually think to myself two, one, zero... negative one... no kidding, those exact words go through my head when I shift sometimes, I don't know what the hell is wrong with me

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