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post #1 of 23 (permalink) Old 09-29-2006, 10:39 PM Thread Starter
 
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How to ride on a wet track???

First day as an Intermediate rider and the weather isn't cooperating. I was wondering what I should be doing to my riding style to ride on a wet track properly/safely.
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post #2 of 23 (permalink) Old 09-29-2006, 10:50 PM
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Just like street riding in the rain. Start slow. Smooth inputs. Did I say smooth? Yeah, don't forget to be smooth.
Find your traction gradually. Trying to find it all at once might mean you're gonna have a bad time. You don't wanna have a bad time.

OR you can do what I always do in the wet. Leave the bike on the trailer and drink all the beer in your cooler.

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post #4 of 23 (permalink) Old 09-29-2006, 11:51 PM Thread Starter
 
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Rain tires? I'm running brand new Pilot Powers.
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I was out in the rain at Autobahn on Pilot Powers on 600RR with a stock setup suspension. I really didnt like the way the bike was wiggling around. Some have said the Pilot Powers are excellant in the rain. Me no likey, so next time im at the track and it rains, im drinking all the beer in the cooler.
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+1 on what Ken said.

Have excellent form
Very smooth with gas.
You'd be suprised how hard you can brake in the rain, just be smooth
RAIN TIRES are a gift from the gods!
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For you Kyle... BE PATIENT!!!

Get your ass as far off that seat as possible
WAIT to get on the gas coming out of the corner, stand that bike up first
Minimize lean angle in the turns by getting as far off the bike as possible
Be SMOOTH on the gas
Be SMOOTH on the brakes
Be SMOOTH on the turn in.

I LOVE riding in the rain, it really shows off your weaknesses and gives you instant feedback.

And if you want, get RAINS. I have ridden in the rain on slicks (not at all advised), on DOT Race (works pretty well if soft compound) and and full on RAIN tires. There is something to be learned from all three.

Good luck and be safe out there. Hope to see you at Putnam with a bike that still works!

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Quote:
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Good luck and be safe out there. Hope to see you at Putnam with a bike that still works!
Now if that doesn't sound like a boatload of confidence I dont know what does. Haha, looks like Its going to be a smoothness on the throttle practice day, no more potential highsides for me.
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I think Underdog and Wink left something out; be smooth and deliberate with everything you do.

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Back in the day I ran DOT's in the rain on the SRAD Gixxer, then rain both rains, and DOT's on the SV actually did just as well on DOT's as I did with rains. I think that was primarily due to having too much confidence on rain tires. Then the last race weekend I ran DOT's in the rain on the Mille, and NO WAY, that bike just tiptoed around and still wanted to spin up on exit even straight up and down, and being very very soft with the throttle. So now I'm going to try and pick up a set of rains for it too. Of course a lot of it has to do with the track itself too, because I ran DOT's in the rain at Autobahn and didn't seem to have as many problems as Blackhawk with DOT's in the rain.

Rain is awesome though to teach you being smooth, getting off the seat, not making any snap actions. Good stuff can come out of riding in the rain.
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Uh yeah... rain is all about SMOOTH. You can still accelerate, brake and lean... just not all at once. Use more 'body English'. Make sure your inputs are all smooooooooth and controlled. Think "soft".

And yeah, in the full wet, rain tires rule.

What sucks is when the track is just 'damp' - too dry for rains and too wet for DOT's to be totally confidence-inspiring.

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Hey..... .nobody said be smooth !



No sudden inputs, hang off a lot to minimize lean angle.



Don't forget to be really smooth.



PP's are fine in the wet.


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What helped me learn was riding around on the dirtbike in the mud. The nobbies get completely cacked with mud and it's like riding on ice, no tracktion at all. You have to move your body weight all the way on the front wheel of the bike, if you don't it will just wash out.

Regular Pilot Powers are the best tire you are going to get for wet riding besides rains. They are more like an intermediate tire because of how much water they are capapble of treading.

Rain tires are amazing. They last for a long time and are well worth the money to. I have had my rain tires for over 3 years now. Just as long as you keep them in the wet they won't burn up. Get them on dry pavement and they will toast up quick. No matter what track I go to or what event I ALWAYS have my rain tires on a spare set of rims. Rain isn't going to stop me from enjoying a track/race day.

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Oh and be smooth for goodness sake!

Seriously, good info so far. A wet track is an excellent opportunity to work on extreme body position, smooth throttle and brake inputs as well as learning how "to feel" dynamic traction. The pace is slowed down enough to allow you to focus on these things really well.

Another trick is to take all the compression and rebound damping out of both ends of the bike. Your suspension should be as loose and springy as possible.

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Another trick is to take all the compression and rebound damping out of both ends of the bike. Your suspension should be as loose and springy as possible.
I wondered if someone was going to talk about suspension adjustments.
Though I don't know if you'd want to pull out all the rebound damping? The bike would have a hard time settling when it returned to it's normal static state. It would just pogo up and down wouldn't it. As long as your suspension can rebound fast enough to keep the tire in contact with the pavement while going over the track surface, anything more than that is counter productive isn't it? As far as rebound goes atleast.

I can see adjusting your compression down some. Meaning reducing the amount of damping dialed into the compression stroke. But again, all the way out and it could just pitch or dive around like a mechanical bull.

I guess that would be all relative to how much adjustment your components actually provide. Like anything else, it's all relative to your equipment, skills and riding style.

I've also heard that fast riders have different sag settings for wet conditions as well.

Whatcha got to say about that? Ronnie? Heath?

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I use slicks in the rain and never touch suspension it keeps things intresting to me.

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Many riders soften their settings in the rain..... take out some compression
and pehaps some preload to allow the suspension a more plush feel that
promotes traction and prevents sudden jarring inputs ( bump ) to the
contact patch..... helps you be even smoother.

Taking all the comp and rebound out..... uh ..... maybe not.


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I use slicks in the rain and never touch suspension it keeps things intresting to me.
yeah yeah yeah, and you'd still be faster than me.

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