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track in the rain

I have been planning a trip from here to Jennings, FL to hit the track 2/3 and 2/4. They are calling for rain and it got me thinking........

Is the track basically pointless in the rain?
Obviously you have to hold back some, but is it to a point where it is not even fun?

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Certainly not.

I ran a day at ACC South in light rain on a very wet track and it force me to concentrate on three things (1) being smooth, (2) being smooth, and (3) being SMOOTH!

I had to almost over-exaggerate every motion, and also concentrated on body position; hanging off the bike as much as possible in over to keep the bike upright and on the fat part of tire as much as possible.

I had a lot of fun, but only rode a couple session IN the light rain. As long as you can stay dry, I think would be worth it. I defintely improved a lot after that weeeknd.

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If you have rain tires there is more traction available than you'ld think. I'd say a track day in the rain is worth doing, but I'm not convinced it's worth driving to FL for.
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Would someone that runs slicks say that running the track on dot tires is a waste? Nope. You just need to take what you can get from the track and your tires. Just like any other day of the year when the track may be damp, the surface cold, your tires old. You work with what you have to work with. It will teach you to be smooth. But start out painfully slow and work your way up.

To kind of test what kind of traction there is, some people touch their boot down on the ground while going straight.

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There is ( in my opinion ) something to consider here....


Riding in the rian can actully be very rewarding but you do need to
have something like the right equipment for it when it comes to tires.


For a wet track...

Would you run Slicks.....No Never

Full rain tires ...... Of course the best answer.

How about harcore Race DOT's like the 208GP, 209, Power Race etc ?
Maybe If its WARM but if it's cool they are unforgiving and a crash trying to happen.

How about high-end street / trackday tires like the Diablo SC, Pilot Power,
Dunlop Qualifier ? Now that's the ticket ! good tread even down to sidewalls,
better ( predictible ) grip even on a cooler track.


With a tire suited to the conditions you can learn a lot in the rain.


With a hard, cold race DOT you will crash before you even know what
happened as the unforgiving, under-temprature tire slides abruptly
and without opportunity to recover.


What tires you run ?



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Nice tires......


Nice and Smooth on the controls....slow down your hands on the inputs.

Sneak on the brake, settle the front before applying braking force.

Sneak on the gas, settle the rear before applying accelerating force.

Hang off as much as you are comfortable to keep the bike more upright
and improve traction while turning.

Stay AHEAD of the bike so you are not forced to make any abrupt changes.



All of these things help you vastly in the dry, in the wet they are required.



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I'd say a track day in the rain is worth doing, but I'm not convinced it's worth driving to FL for.
+1 Makes perfect sense to me.

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I would never do a trackday in the rain. It is just not fun for me and that is the point of a trackday. On the other hand, rain would never stop me from racing.
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I ran slicks at Autobahn on a wet track. If the track is just wet, and no puddles, it works about the same as if you have grooves. If it begins to rain while you are actually on the track, that is a different matter. The grooves only make a difference if there is enough water to hydroplane on. If the track is just damp, my personal experience is that it is not any different from slicks to dot race tires. Either way, you have less than a dry track, but the same amount less.

You can learn a lot in the rain, but it can be pretty tedious. I had more than my fill of rain last year.
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Jennings is a very grippy track, you will be fine riding it wet. The weather down there changes so quickly that it might only rain for a few min.
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Any day on the track is a great day. I love riding in the rain, for that matter, I have never missed a session due to weather.

If it rains, learn what you can. Be smooth. However, many times I have driven to traks with a rain forecast only to get a great sunny day. Other times I have driven to the trask with a forecast of sun, only to get tons of rain.

That is a long way to go to ride. My guess is that you could do 2-3 more track days locally just with the gas money.

Either way, have fun.

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Yeah, weather reports are another topic. I can't tell you how many nice days I would have missed if I'd altered my plans based on rain in the weather report. It's better to be ok with riding in the rain than try to alter your plans all the time due to unreliable weather reports.
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Any day on the track is a great day. I love riding in the rain, for that matter, I have never missed a session due to weather.

If it rains, learn what you can. Be smooth. However, many times I have driven to traks with a rain forecast only to get a great sunny day. Other times I have driven to the trask with a forecast of sun, only to get tons of rain.

That is a long way to go to ride. My guess is that you could do 2-3 more track days locally just with the gas money.

Either way, have fun.
Not to many trackday around here in the begining of Feb. unless you are riding on a frozen lake.

Also just to toss this in there if anyone is interested in going to Jennings for a 3 day trackday on March 11-13 for cheap let me know. We have a bunch of people form the CLSB board going and it is going to be a blast. More tracktime than you can handle also a private trackday.
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I'll also be going to VIR for three days of riding the same weekend if anyone is interested.

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Is the track basically pointless in the rain?
Obviously you have to hold back some, but is it to a point where it is not even fun?
Yeah you have to hold back some but like everyone said, you'll learn to be smooth. The first trackday I ever went to last season it was pouring like crazy at autobahn north. I'm not talking light rain, it was pouring. I was nervous because it was my first trackday, it was pouring, and the fricken A group guys scared the hell out of me when they flew by during the beginners meeting. It turned out to be a great experience and it did help me become more smooth throughout the day. It poured all morning and most of the people went home that day. In the afternoon, the sun came out and we had crazy track time. It was a great day though. Some guys at the track will tell you right away that they don't ride in the rain, it just isn't worth it to them. I talked to a couple of A guys parked right next to us and they said riding in the rain isn't fun and it isn't worth getting hurt. I guess everyone has their own opinion about that. Try it out and see for yourself bro. I probably wouldn't drive all the way to Florida if I knew it would rain though.

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