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post #1 of 14 (permalink) Old 03-02-2007, 09:45 AM Thread Starter
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2004 R1 for a track bike

Been doing track days for about four years on my 748 and most recently on my 749. I have it up for sale to buy a bike that I can service locally and may get along better on it ergonomically. Been checking out 2003 and up Yamaha R6's or newer Triumph 675s.

Anyway, my budget is around $5k, and I came across a salvage titled 2004 Yamaha R1, with only fairing damage that is below my price ceiling. As it will have a set of track bodywork thrown on it, I dont care about the cosmetic damage. Frame is straight.

Anyway, in discussions with buds, they all say since I am still learning (arent we all?) and I am an intermediate class track day rider, that I should stay with smaller bikes to learn better and easier. I do have track and racing experience in Formula racing cars, so the bigger hp is not a problem. I know not to whack the throttle open mid corner......

Also, some were saying this specific bike had poor front end feel.

I love the newer R1's. I love the looks, I love the twin under seat pipes.......

Any thoughts??

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post #2 of 14 (permalink) Old 03-02-2007, 10:09 AM
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I canít comment from a track standpoint. I see trackdays as all about having fun and learning skills. If hat is the bike that makes you happy, get it. Iím sure it is probably more capable than you are as far as performance.

Also a well setup suspension, will probably cure any dull feel issues.

Letís see what everyone else has to say.

My last comment, would you be happy on anything else?

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im even more of a track noob then you, however. I would tend to agree with your friends. I have no doubt that you can handle a liter class bike, but tend to think that you will learn quicker on a 600 and also at a reduced cost to you. Tire costs alone if you are a regular track day person will eat up the difference between that wrecked R1 and a clean 600. Additionally if this is a track only bike, you should be able to find a clean 600, strip and sell the factory plastics and fund the cost of your race plastics, and probably a few track days as well.

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My last comment, would you be happy on anything else?

this is a very valid point...

If your heart is set on an R1, anything else you buy would be settling

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When you are first trying to learn to go faster on a racetrack you bring
your street - oriented throttle / brake habits with you, they are not good.

The Lirebike reinforces these bad habits and makes it hard to learn to go
fast the right way. Once the lessons are learned, the expert can go
moderatly quicker on the litrebike.


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Been doing track days for about four years on my 748 and most recently on my 749. I have it up for sale to buy a bike that I can service locally and may get along better on it ergonomically. Been checking out 2003 and up Yamaha R6's or newer Triumph 675s.

Anyway, my budget is around $5k, and I came across a salvage titled 2004 Yamaha R1, with only fairing damage that is below my price ceiling. As it will have a set of track bodywork thrown on it, I dont care about the cosmetic damage. Frame is straight.

Anyway, in discussions with buds, they all say since I am still learning (arent we all?) and I am an intermediate class track day rider, that I should stay with smaller bikes to learn better and easier. I do have track and racing experience in Formula racing cars, so the bigger hp is not a problem. I know not to whack the throttle open mid corner......

Also, some were saying this specific bike had poor front end feel.

I love the newer R1's. I love the looks, I love the twin under seat pipes.......

Any thoughts??

Dr749


Hi, and welcome to the club.

i to have been doing track days for over 4 years myself, and have been an advanced rider with NESBA for over 2 years.

here are my tips and suggestions.

if you have been riding a 749 duc, and want to go into an inline 4, the next step higher in power would be something like a GSXR750 which will surely feel like a liter bike to you.


just about any midwest track EXCEPT road America any 600cc or 750cc for that matter will do JUST FINE. a liter bike will be for short of a better term a POINT & SHOOT bike. 1 of which will be added cost to your hobby for tires alone!

a liter bike is NOT a must around here as seldom does a 750 get maximized HPR to track ratio.

keep doing your track days, keep learning, keep having fun.
if the best deal you can get is a R1 and you want it? then go for it. but this will pose more of an issue of controlling IT then it is you advancing on it with the ability to wrench it out.

its not just about NOT whacking the throttle on the straight, on the entry, mid or exit. its about finesse and its about feel. once you get that down controlling anything with plenty of seat time will become easier. then you graduate into riding the edge of traction and constantly breaking it and how to control it. a liter bike can FAR easier break traction and you trying to control it. a liter bike for anyone can be a hand full, but CAN be done with plenty of seat time, ALONG with learning and experience behind you.

good luck, and ask away if you need any further info.

there is a a dozen advanced riders on this board, there is only a hand full of control riders for nesba on these board, and there is a couple AMA racers on this board.

when they reply you'll see there advanced advise or them presenting who they are.


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my 2 cents... I started track riding on a GSXR 1000.. shortly after getting bumped to advanced in all the local trackday orgs I bought an SV650 (about a 80hp difference) go figure.

You've been riding the track for 4 years I don't think you're going to make any rookie mistakes with being to hard on the throttle so buy which ever feels better. Tires will definitely cost you more. My personal opinion... I love the SV's corner entry speed but in terms of fun it just can't spin up the rear like you can on corner exit on a giggy 1000 After saying that I turn better times on the SV than on the GSXR 1000 but that's partly due to the fact that I feel like I can really man handle the SV whereas with the GSXR like ken said it's more point and shoot. Smooth is fast.

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...if you have been riding a 749 duc, and want to go into an inline 4, the next step higher in power would be something like a GSXR750 which will surely feel like a liter bike to you....
Not really

Feels a bit quicker up top, but weaker midrange so the power differential feels minimal. The difference is more one of quality than quantity.

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What's up Doc? Ride fast and take chances. Pin it to win it.

I've never heard that at the rider's meeting before, is that new for 2007?


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Get a 600, they're just as fast, if not faster, at all the local tracks besides RA. They're light and fun to ride, plus if you ever decide to race, you can enter a lot more classes. They're also much cheaper on the maintenance and repair budget than a duc or a liter bike.

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Add me to the list of people who consider any 600 a much better learning tool for the track than a 1000. This topic hits close to home, because my friend Bart died at Road America almost exactly a year ago. High sided at a NESBA day just past Canada Corner in Thunder Valley section, landed on his Shoei covered head, died a few hours later. We'd been doing track time on and off since 1986, and Bart was the smoothest, quickest, most in control rider of us all- you could just see it. He never made mistakes, never messed up, never crashed. Had major riding experience, at least 30 years. The power of his bike just caught him out according to witnesses, just a simple highside from too much throttle from 160 hp apparantly. He's gone and we miss him terribly.

Oh yeah- his new bike that this happened on was an '05 R1.
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