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What do you guys think of Gingerman?

i'm signed up for a day at Gingerman on June 30th, but after talking to Wink he has me a bit hesitant. He said the course is in bad condition because of the concrete and a it causes people to crash. What do you guys think?

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operator error causes people to crash, not bumps. Just my .02

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cool layout,
dual apex turns, short front stretch.
I never had a problem with it but I was never a fan of the seam that goes along the center a lot of the track

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GIngerman has two seams that run around it, they can be a challenge.

The layout is fun.... easy to learn, difficult to master.

I'd hit it.


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Not my favorite track. It has some of the standard Alan Wilson design features, but, similar to what was said, you do have some control in what you're doing. If it's bumpy and your feedback says don't go any faster, well, that's probably the way to do it.

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I like the layout, its fun. I just wish they'd do something about those damn seams. As far as bumps, I don't remember it being any worse than AB south or BHF before they repaved it.
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Umm, not what I said. So let me clarify....

I LOVE the layout!
I love the slight elevation changes.
I hate the seams.
Not really any bumps on the track, other than the depression in the last turn coming onto the straight.

There is no concrete, so not sure where that came from.

All that said, it is a close, and cheap day. At lower speeds, the track is awesome. However, at "race pace", full lean angle mixed with a seam transition at an inappropriate time can mean a bad ending.

SO... what that means is that what was said above is correct. YOU control what pace you want to run on that track. B and I speeds are fine, even low to mid "A" pace there is fine.

It is a fun track, and even throws up a power wheelie in two places on the track. But I would not want to race the clock on that track. For the money, it is a great weekend, and you could have a ton of fun and learn a lot.

For racing... (if I raced), I wouldn't race there. Just my .02.

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Exit of 6 is like a bad mattress
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Seams run all the way round.


it's fun backwards.


Changes it from a throttle control track to a trail-brake - frontend track.

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I think gingerman is alot better than Blackhawk thats for sure.
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I think I ran it faster going backwards as it is a fun track.
The seams are not a problem if you don't look at them.

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I think gingerman is alot better than Blackhawk thats for sure.
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Gincerman is certainly wider. Has more run off. But there are NO seams, and NO comparable bumps at Blackhawk (of course... BHF has trees... LOL!)

But the track surface is the issue here. No comparison, Blackhawk surface is great now that they repaved the corners last year.

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I hav been to gingerman about 50 times and have never had problems with the seams. The only trouble that I have ever had was the last corner with the dip. I think blackhawk is alot unsafer with the trees than Gingerman is with anything there.
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gingerman is like autobahn in that...................

the cars will tear it up otherwise its a fun track to ride just watch the trafic
going over could be no fun this year.

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I hav been to gingerman about 50 times and have never had problems with the seams. The only trouble that I have ever had was the last corner with the dip. I think blackhawk is alot unsafer with the trees than Gingerman is with anything there.
Steve,

I agree, Gingerman has FAR better run off and no obstacles (other than the last turn) as compared to Blackhawk.

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Thanks for the help guys. Sorry for misquoting you wink. I was referring to the seems issue. I must have killed too many brain cells this weekend

I think i'll do the day as planned.

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I'll most likely be there as well. Hope to see you there Steve.

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Seams notwithstanding, I think Gingerman is a really fun track.

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I hav been to gingerman about 50 times and have never had problems with the seams. The only trouble that I have ever had was the last corner with the dip. I think blackhawk is alot unsafer with the trees than Gingerman is with anything there.
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Everyone always cries about the seams. They don't make a bit of difference. Just run them over and don't think about them. There are some bumps that make you adjust your line a little. Face it fellows, we live in the midwest, cars tear up our tracks, they will always be bumpy to some extent. I love all of the tracks around the midwest. They all have pros and cons. Look at it like a different challenge every different track you go to. Maybe you have to change your bike set up a bit, play with suspension, play with running different tires, play with gearing. It just makes the hobby more of a challenge.

Gingerman is one of my favorite tracks. Find a CR with NESBA that likes the track, have them show you a good line. Attack the seams, cross over them, don't look at them or follow them. I've never had a problem with traction running the seams over.

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operator error causes people to crash, not bumps. Just my .02
I agree at most places that is correct. But when someone almost twists their ankle on a track walk down the middle of the track? I bit it in turn 9. I was running 2 seconds slower than earlier in the day. I got it turned late and instead of crossing the asphault seam, my tire tracked into it and low sided me.

If they would just repave it. It's a great technical track. Even if they would just touch up the seams. It's like running on the track at high school. You have 3 destinct lanes around the track.

Other than the ripples in the braking zone of turn one, it's not from the cars. It's just missing asphault at the seams. Put some ashphault in there, roll it flat and it would be a great track.

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