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Hey all,
I was wondering what you guys do when you need suspension help?
Looking to get set up quickly so i can do some track days before the ccs races @ blackhawk may 12th.
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Personally I go to Superbike Italia. His name is Ken and he has hooked me up big time with the rite set up on my SV. He also set up my wife's (Slowass) R6 and it feels really good. Some people might talk shit, but I have race finishes and countless trackdays to prove his work. The dude knows his stuff and does well.

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Now if you just want to set your sag and have a base line set up alot of guys can help you here. Rule of thumb is 25 to 30mm sag front and rear. No more no less for a basic set up. Depending on where you live there a lot of people that will help you on CLSB. Usually you need 2 people plus yourself. One to hold the bike while you sit on it and another take measurements.

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+1 on Ken & Superbike again. Was just there last week. Only thing is that he is a bit busy. You would have to get him Tues through Thurs or Friday during the day. He is gone on the weekends for track support.


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What bike? What do you weigh? I'd run more sag up front even on the short side.

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Hey all,
I was wondering what you guys do when you need suspension help?
Looking to get set up quickly so i can do some track days before the ccs races @ blackhawk may 12th.
Thanks in advance.
since your in nesba surely you know MD racing?



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What group (B, I, A?) do you ride in?

How fast are you going?

How much do you weigh? Is your bike sprung for your weight?

A stock late model sportbike is sprung for a 165 lb rider rite?

If you need your sag set people will help you at the race track no doubt. Set your sag then go from there.

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He rides mid-A pack I believe.

220?

And of course, we can help him with his sag at the track.

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He rides mid-A pack I believe.

220?

And of course, we can help him with his sag at the track.
ahh there you have it then



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Gotta have the correct springs for his weight for sag to make a difference. I don't know of many bike that are set up for 220# riders. If that's right, get the correct springs. Over preloading the springs messes everything up with the bike working and giving decent feedback. Both ways...too much spring for a light rider is a mess too.

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He rides mid-A pack I believe.

220?

And of course, we can help him with his sag at the track.
I'm sort of jumping in here, but I'd like to take you up on this offer Wink. I wasnt able to this at the tech day, but I'd like to get a baseline setup on my suspension at BHF. Will this be possible? And is it even necessary since I'm maybe 145-150lbs with full gear?

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Brian should be able to do it.

It's always something to look at. Some bikes have springs that are for 80 riders. Some have them for 180 pound riders. Seldom are they the same front and rear.

It's just always reasonable to start with this.

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Erik, I need practice doing this, so find me at BHF. We might be able to do it in the morning. But if we don't get to it, for sure at lunch. I'll be in the Wink trailer by the tech shed.

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Any7one know How to tell on an ohlins spring which one it is, and which one I would need for a 220 LB rider?




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Thanks for all the feedback guys.
Heres some info on me and my bike
I'm under 200 pounds now yeah me, no more really fat kid.
my bike is an 04 zx10r
rear: Ohlins tripple front: stock.

Like Wink said I'm mid pack A group nesba.
I'm hoping to improve that with the addition of the ohlins ;-)
I don't mind paying to have things done.
We had a baby just a bit a go so my fun time is limited.
Wink and Greg If I havent sorted out my suspension by putnam
I'll definatly take you up on your offers.
I can't skip out on putnam that place is to fun..
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Erik, I need practice doing this, so find me at BHF. We might be able to do it in the morning. But if we don't get to it, for sure at lunch. I'll be in the Wink trailer by the tech shed.
Thanks Greg. Maybe I'll learn a few things too.

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Any7one know How to tell on an ohlins spring which one it is, and which one I would need for a 220 LB rider?
Which is the correct shock rate is hard to say exactly because the rear linkage ratio's change things. An R6 might take a 500# spring and a Triumph 675 might take a 700# spring for the same rider weight.

There are usually a series of numbers on the shock. They are coded in a way that has the spring rate and a designation for length as some shocks use 6" long springs, others longer or shorter. Tony, you've pretty much got to call someone that is very familiar with the Ohlins product and has access to something to tell them what it is...and what it should really take. Depending upon whether it's a street bike or race bike will change the rate. You need more rate for a race/track day bike because you'll load it up more under traction...front and rear.

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Thanks Dave, I'll go out there and pull the numbers off of it and start the research.




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I'm sort of jumping in here, but I'd like to take you up on this offer Wink. I wasnt able to this at the tech day, but I'd like to get a baseline setup on my suspension at BHF. Will this be possible? And is it even necessary since I'm maybe 145-150lbs with full gear?

Yes it's needed, yes we can do it at the track....no problemo.


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I was gonna drive up there anyway just to meet with Casey, but we just didn't get it scheduled. I think he was heading back yesterday.

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Hey Smiley,

Dude, I hate to be a Father figure on you, but I'm going to have to give you some tough love, son.

You're going racing this year? With a toddler in your nest? Are you out of your fucking mind? Haven't you heard me ramble on ad infinitum about the increased risks and dangers associated with club racing versus track riding? If you haven't, you will ... this weekend at Blackhawk!

I know I can't tell you what to do, but I would so hate to see you airlifted out of Blackhawk for a fucking bowling trophy when little Marcus is still so young.

I'll do my best to talk you out of racing at this point in your life, but if you do decide to dramatically increase the danger factor of your track experience, please, please, please make goddamn sure you're health insurance, especially your disability and death/dismemberment policies are maxed the fuck out, and more importantly that there are absolutely NO EXCLUSIONS in your policies for "high risk activities" that will sure as hell include racing motorcycles on a closed course. I've seen too many Dad's get torn to pieces and/or killed in the last few years. I can rationalize the track, sort of, but racing? I'll be interested to hear your thoughts at Blackhawk.

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Any7one know How to tell on an ohlins spring which one it is, and which one I would need for a 220 LB rider?
How far out of line are your sag numbers? Have you set it? As Dave stated, every application is different. Because of that funky "unit pro link" on the 600RR (and my weight) I need huge springs on my shock.

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Hey Smiley,

Dude, I hate to be a Father figure on you, but I'm going to have to give you some tough love, son.

You're going racing this year? With a toddler in your nest? Are you out of your fucking mind? Haven't you heard me ramble on ad infinitum about the increased risks and dangers associated with club racing versus track riding? If you haven't, you will ... this weekend at Blackhawk!

I know I can't tell you what to do, but I would so hate to see you airlifted out of Blackhawk for a fucking bowling trophy when little Marcus is still so young.

I'll do my best to talk you out of racing at this point in your life, but if you do decide to dramatically increase the danger factor of your track experience, please, please, please make goddamn sure you're health insurance, especially your disability and death/dismemberment policies are maxed the fuck out, and more importantly that there are absolutely NO EXCLUSIONS in your policies for "high risk activities" that will sure as hell include racing motorcycles on a closed course. I've seen too many Dad's get torn to pieces and/or killed in the last few years. I can rationalize the track, sort of, but racing? I'll be interested to hear your thoughts at Blackhawk.

Now go and tell your Mother I'll be home soon and to have dinner ready when I get there



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