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Ok, a walk through lap with LBK.


Brake for turn 1 at the guardrail.

Slowly apply a little bit of gas for 2.

Accelerate through 3.

Try to ride it like a motocross bike through 4.

Run off turn 5 and drop the bike.
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Dave,

You forgot..

Freak at the bumps in turn 6, run off track. (umm, TWICE).

Or..

Lowside when exhaust hits gator strips in turn 7.

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Lowside when exhaust hits gator strips in turn 7.

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More like try to pass slow guy on yellow 929 on outside of 5, stay to inside of 6 to let him in, lowside after hitting bumps in full lean on 6, slide through pavement then grass, go pick bike up, start her up and ride her in, brush off white dust cloud.
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More like try to pass slow guy on yellow 929 on outside of 5, stay to inside of 6 to let him in, lowside after hitting bumps in full lean on 6, slide through pavement then grass, go pick bike up, start her up and ride her in, brush off white dust cloud.
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I'm gonna miss that little dirt-riding strip - NOT!

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Uhhhh ok it's been awhile.. let's see if I can remember how to go around this track....

WOT down front straight past bridge. Close throttle and grab brakes at the 3.5. Down 2 gears to 3rd, release brakes and throw bike into 1.
WOT from the apex in T1, click 4th, hold WOT until you're ready to brake for 3. I always screw up the entry into 3, so I'm not really sure where to hit the hooks... it's different every time. Click down back into 3rd.
Look through 3, when you can see the end, short-shift to 4th, start accelerating hard. WOT before you straighten it up, through 3D.
Just past 3D, back down into 3rd, brake, roll through bus stop. WOT from exit of bus stop, through little left-hand kink, gentle tap of the brakes, tip it into 4, power hard on exit.
Click 4th, gentle braking to scrub a little speed, tip it into 5. WOT from entry of 5 until braking zone at 6.
Brakes at the 3. Back into 3rd for 6. Hold WOT in 3rd on rev-limiter through 6-gate... click 4th as you stand it up.
Grab 5th and stay WOT until just past the right-hander kink into 7. Down into 3rd. Square off 7 for good drive down straight.

DanO - that sound about right? The only thing I'm still not sure on is if I'm hitting the bus stop in 2nd and grabbing 3rd as I'm driving out, or if I roll it in 3rd. Also don't remember if I'm getting 5th down into T6.

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Uhhhh ok it's been awhile.. let's see if I can remember how to go around this track....

Click 4th, gentle braking to scrub a little speed, tip it into 5. WOT from entry of 5 until braking zone at 6.
Brakes at the 3. Back into 3rd for 6. Hold WOT in 3rd on rev-
Holy Jesus... you brake at marker 3 for turn 6??? Didn't think anyone used those markers at 6 at all.

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Ya jim that's pretty close. Heck I don't remember how the track goes...I'm going to be out there w/ Weeden, TEZ, and company using the force...

For what TZDeSioux said,
Sometimes I've gone to 2.5 marker...you can really go faster than you think thru 6. I feel that I have that turn down pretty good and I'm still slow compaired to Conrad, Denning, Weeden, TEZ, and company



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Dan.. are you coasting at any given time when you brake at 2.5 or are you full throttle till 2.5 and on the brakes? I ask because I do most of my passing under braking for turn 6 and I can't even imagine myself getting on the brakes at even the 3 marker. I guess I'll have to try braking later there.

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See you should have messed up like me and touched the front brake in the wet grass thinking you had it under control before hitting the reeds. A quick embarrassing slow speed tumble, pick yourself up and awaaay you go!

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Don't like the ripples on the outside edge of the braking area of #1. I wonder why?
Weird grooves in middle of #3.
Fun and confidence inspiring random pavement changes #4 through 5.
Biggo bump in apex of #6.
More ripples going into #7.
An almost total lack of run off areas where you really need them.
Can you say the word tree?

Well, the new surface should fix up most of the old personality. Does anyone know if they added run off material around #1 or #7?

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Dan.. are you coasting at any given time when you brake at 2.5 or are you full throttle till 2.5 and on the brakes? I ask because I do most of my passing under braking for turn 6 and I can't even imagine myself getting on the brakes at even the 3 marker. I guess I'll have to try braking later there.
No I'm not coasting. And I trail brake a lot going into t6. You just have to be careful cuz that turn *used* to be really rough.
I used to coast a bit into t3, I cleaned that up a bit and shaved a solid second off of my lap times. ummmm I guess just give it more gas...
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Not sure about 7, but they did increase the runoff in 1. And the big tree by 5 was removed (I think..Kimmy help me out here.)
They also finally paved the 'roads' in the middle.



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I've heard the big tree at 5 was taken out... 15' of runoff added...

I'm going out there next Saturday... will have a full report.

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I've heard the big tree at 5 was taken out... 15' of runoff added...

I'm going out there next Saturday... will have a full report.
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After reading that post.... yes I am a slow guy. I need to go up 1 more toot hin the rear and hold almost 10mph more corner speed. Yikes..... but I guess that's how I drop 6 more seconds.... go fast enouhg ot use 1 higher gear in every turn.
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After reading that post.... yes I am a slow guy. I need to go up 1 more toot hin the rear and hold almost 10mph more corner speed. Yikes..... but I guess that's how I drop 6 more seconds.... go fast enouhg ot use 1 higher gear in every turn.
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I've got one race Saturday, and three on Sunday. I just hope it's dry!

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Good news about the added run off and at least 1 less big tree.

Good luck Kim!

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Kim I may offer pit crew assistance Sat being I told my fam I have a track day to get out of painting. Lupi too.

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And good luck to DeSioux, Jim and DanO, too!

Pete - sounds good to me! I'll bring extra munchies.

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Holy Jesus... you brake at marker 3 for turn 6??? Didn't think anyone used those markers at 6 at all.
Yeah. Everybody brakes really early going into 6. 6 is probably the 2nd-easiest spot to get a pass off at BHF. Like DanO said, 6 can be taken a lot faster than most think.

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Yeah. Everybody brakes really early going into 6. 6 is probably the 2nd-easiest spot to get a pass off at BHF. Like DanO said, 6 can be taken a lot faster than most think.
Well if you are saying turn 1 is the easiest then i agree, turn 6 is where i pass alot of people and if done right you can box out the guy following you!

my places to work on this year are turn 2 gotta start going wot through there and turn 5 i think i can shave an easy 3-5 seconds off my times from turn 2-5 if i just get a bit more aggressive, which is my plan to do this year!!

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Well if you are saying turn 1 is the easiest then i agree,


No, I'd rate T1 as #4 or 5.

Easiest place to pass at BHF is the bus stop.

2nd is T6. 3rd is T7. 4th is probably T1.

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Yeah, that's the general idea


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the bus stop huh??? entrance?? i suppose if i was racing instead of track days i would be more aggressive there but i always new i would be able to pass them exiting 5 into 6 so i never bothered passing anyone there, hmmm i will have to try that, thanks for the tip omni, see ya on the track soon!!

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the bus stop huh??? entrance?? i suppose if i was racing instead of track days i would be more aggressive there but i always new i would be able to pass them exiting 5 into 6 so i never bothered passing anyone there, hmmm i will have to try that, thanks for the tip omni, see ya on the track soon!!
Ya I didn't think there was any room to pass there either, until my first race. #465 (I always forget his name...green ZX-6R) passed me there EVERY lap (fucker.) I would get by him down the front straight, and then hold him up through 3 (not surprised, as I'm slow through 3.) He would get me at the bus stop... and then he'd hold ME up all the way down through 7.

After that race, I learned... bus stop is a good place to pass It's also a good place to hold a defensive line.

The bus stop is just another one of those turns that can be taken faster than you think, provided you can flick the bike over fast enough. You just gotta stick it and follow through.

Probably one of the best passes I ever had was in that section. I tried getting #227 Chachere in the bus stop, but the bastard (j/k Mike if you're listening ) held me off. It screwed up his drive though, and I passed him on the inside of 4. (**NOTE** Passing in T4 NOT recommended - hairiest pass I've ever made...)

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