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Considering the track..

For you track folks, any advice on starting out? My desire would be to get a bike to use strictly for the track and set it up to be the best tool to learn on - work my way up from there. Any advice on bikes and where I should go for training/practice?

I probably don't have any time this year to start, but I could at least get the bike and work on it over the winter. I need another hobby and I have been listening to my heart lead me in this direction for a couple of years now. Not really interested in going pro

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Best starter track bikes are older 600s or even better for learning is an SV650.

Come to the next Blackhawk Farms event with us on July 14th and learn about the track, attend the meetings for free and talk to us about how to get started.

Great group of people and a ton of fun on the track. Good luck with it!

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Thanks for the invite. I will see about heading out there. I am not up to anything that weekend, I would love to check it out.

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Best starter track bikes are older 600s or even better for learning is an SV650.

Come to the next Blackhawk Farms event with us on July 14th and learn about the track, attend the meetings for free and talk to us about how to get started.

Great group of people and a ton of fun on the track. Good luck with it!
Hey I am planning on making it out to BHF on the 14th (finally). What time should I make it there? I too have been wanting to get to the track... So this will be my crawling before I walk to get introduced to it... I won't have my bike or anything being that I am not ready equipment wise or otherwise, but I did want to attend so that I can get familair with the entire set-up and see 1st hand how a track day is organized. I probably won't be ready to get on the track equipment and otherwise until next season. But I wanted to get started by at least showing my face.

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Do a Nesba intro day (FREE!!!) first on your bike, see what you think before you spend a ton of money on something you've never done. Not saying you won't love it, which I and most do, but I was pretty awakened my first track day as to the reality and danger of what you are doing. You have to do it first hand to understand. With that being said, the track Rocks, but I can see it not being for everybody. Just my
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Hey I am planning on making it out to BHF on the 14th (finally). What time should I make it there? I too have been wanting to get to the track... So this will be my crawling before I walk to get introduced to it... I won't have my bike or anything being that I am not ready equipment wise or otherwise, but I did want to attend so that I can get familair with the entire set-up and see 1st hand how a track day is organized. I probably won't be ready to get on the track equipment and otherwise until next season. But I wanted to get started by at least showing my face.
If you are just going to watch you could get there by 9:30 and not miss anybody riding, although the meetings start at 8 i think. There's all the info you need on www.nesba.com
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Best starter track bikes are older 600s or even better for learning is an SV650.
Pfft ...the 675 is where it is at. Lots of usable power, and outstanding performance. You will not get a better recommendation, nor any viable arguments against it!

Geo? Most fun on 2 wheels??

A this is a sportbike board
B It must be an acquired taste, I would not ride one if you paid me, or told me that it was the most fun on 2 wheels

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Thanks for the invite. I will see about heading out there. I am not up to anything that weekend, I would love to check it out.
Tape up the VFR and do the novice sessions in the morning, good time to get out there and try it out and see how you like it. Plus they are free.




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Tape up the VFR and do the novice sessions in the morning, good time to get out there and try it out and see how you like it. Plus they are free.
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Feel free to ride the free "Intro Sessions". (sing up early for these on the NESBA site, there are limited spots) You get two free sessions on track in the morning, and you can go as slow as you want (within reason). ZERO bike prep required, although you personally would need helmet, gauntlet gloves and leathers. Many of us have spare leathers we can loan out or you can rent leathers from NESBA if you'd rather do that.

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i would also like to start doing track days, but all i own is a goldwing.



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Forgot the starter bike part of the question. Although Brian recommended a 675, which is a great track bike. My recommendation for a 600 or a SV650 was more base on a cost effective way to get into a good used track ready bike. They are easy to find, cost $3-4k, and are excellent track tools.

You can find them on WERA, CCS, NESBA and this board on a regular basis.

Albeit a 675 is a nice bike, you will have a hard time finding one for the same price as a 600 or an SV, especially already all track prepped.

Even if you had the money to buy, prep and repair a new GSXR600, R-6 or 675, I'd still start with a used, track prepped bike.

FWIW - Nick Ienatsch, lead instructor at the Freddie Spencer School AND Freddie Spencer ride their VFRs in the class, teach from them as well as give two-up rides on them. And they can still out ride just about anyone from their VFRs. It is a VERY capable trackbike in its own right.

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i would also like to start doing track days, but all i own is a goldwing.
Feel free to come out and ride one of my bikes anytime you want Ken. You know that!

And BTW, I have a friend who rode Pridmore's class on his Gold Wing, and the kicked him out of the intermediate group becuase he was passing all of the Ducati's on the outside, scraping hard parts and scaring them to death.

I know you have seen the video of that guy railing through the Dragon on his Gold Wing...

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Feel free to come out and ride one of my bikes anytime you want Ken. You know that!

And BTW, I have a friend who rode Pridmore's class on his Gold Wing, and the kicked him out of the intermediate group becuase he was passing all of the Ducati's on the outside, scraping hard parts and scaring them to death.

I know you have seen the video of that guy railing through the Dragon on his Gold Wing...
hahaha, you know i was joking right?

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Geo? Most fun on 2 wheels??

A this is a sportbike board
B It must be an acquired taste, I would not ride one if you paid me, or told me that it was the most fun on 2 wheels

Good luck!
Yeah I know its a sportbike board. It just looks like a lot of us have gotten into other aspects of motorcycling. All I know is that my non sportbike uses 17" Slicks.

Have you ridden a SM bike on the track? They are not a ton of fun on the highway and I wouldn't take one cross country but I also have a trackbike with almost no money invested that I built and can ride when I feel.

I really enjoy supermoto and I suggest all of you hardcore trackday guys to come out and give it a try. I'll even offer my bike up to let you take it for a spin.. The trackday only costs $25 bucks.

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+1 on supermoto. After doing a number of tard trackdays this summer, I'm not sure I'll ever go back to the big tracks. motard trackdays are cheaper, safer (in terms of chance of high speed crash), and frankly more exciting.

the only thing missing at a tard trackday is blasting down a straight at 100+
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750 is an excellent all around track weapon. Probably the single best bike that someone can have. Starting out on one? That will require some patience and self-discipline on the throttle. The extra HP that it has above a 600 can get you places many times faster that you want to arrive. Translation: It accelerates faster and you will have to adjust for harder braking to counteract the acceleration, carry more speed, or freak out. Again, many people start on Liter bikes, and the 750 is certainly far more docile that a 1000. BUT... do NOT hit the gas at lean angle, and as you start out, don't go full throttle towards the next corner entry.

All it takes is discipline, and the 750 is an AWESOME bike. And that model you have, will out handle most bikes out there.

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Thanks for the invite. I will see about heading out there. I am not up to anything that weekend, I would love to check it out.
I will be there on Sunday the 15th, it's going to be my first one. If you decide to go there just look for the Asian guy on black R1 who have no idea what he's doing.
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Best starter track bikes are older 600s or even better for learning is an SV650.
Just got back from a test ride of the SV650S. You were dead on with the "better yet" part. I've been on the older 600s and the SV felt better to me. I know haven't decided on the track as being a hobby, but I am going to err on the side that I will love it and plan accordingly.

What do you guys think of this:

Ebay Item number: 190128876270

I will make a determined effort to be at the track on the 14th - maybe even on the 15th as well to chat with JustAGuy if I can. If I get brave, I might tape up the VFR and try the noob runs. Not sure about that one yet. Being that this is my first sport bike (albeit leaned toward sport cruising), I am still getting used to the nuances compared to my dedicated cruisers I'm also not happy with the notchy shifting I am experiencing right now - from what I understand it's typical until the bike is driven about 1500-2k miles. Only has 500 miles and about to hit the first maintenance (600 miles I think). Getting a new seat and grips next week (or whenever they come in).

Thanks for all the advice folks. Your enthusiasm is contageous.
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First thing I'd consider is this: https://www.chicagolandsportbikes.com...ad.php?t=57805

Then the eBay item: 01 SV for $2k... it is not local, so it will cost you money to get it. However, as I mentioned in the earlier threads, you'd be best served getting a bike that has already been setup for the track. FAR cheaper than building a track bike yourself. Track plastics are a minimum, but rearsets, suspension, 520 kit etc... are things you will usually get on a track ready bike.

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It carried Mopar well into the "I" ranks, and then he upgraded to the all-powerful F4i (which he bought from me) to earn his "A" bump.

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For NESBA, this is a rough guideline:

Intro/Beginner Group is for folks new to the track regardless of riding experience. Passing is allowed anywhere except in corners.

Intermediate is for folks who have all the basics down. They have smooth, consistent and predictable lines. They have good and smooth braking and acceleration and they are able to make safe passing decisions, complete passes without braking the rules, and carry a significantly faster pace than the Beginner riders. Passing is allowed anywhere except on the inside of corners (outside corner passing ok).

Advanced riders are riders who have demonstrated a significant skill set, and a significant pace while maintaining predictability. This group is primarily composed of riders with significant track/racing experience ranging up to expert racers and AMA Pros. Passing allowed anywhere, anytime and is run much like open race practice. (no rough or stuff type passing allowed).

For other organizations other than NESBA, you can pretty much pick whatever group you wanna run in, and sign up for that group. NESBA group levels are earned.

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ill be at the next blackhawks to hang out. this time ill get plenty of rest before hand.
Cool, see ya there.

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