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post #1 of 34 (permalink) Old 09-10-2007, 02:27 PM Thread Starter
 
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Saturday was my first time back at BHF this year. I was there about 8 days last year and it was a bit smoother. On T1 there's a bit of a rough patch which I did hit a couple times, but I found that my line felt natural just to the inside of that patch and the same for T7. I couldn't recall if that's where I normally run or was just mentally going there due to the roughness. By the end of the day I was running solid 1:23's each lap, so it didn't feel so bad for me. I heard from a few people who attributed some falls to the roughness but wonder if it's bad enough to really do that. I did see quite a few this past weekend go down in 7 but then again it's a common corner to see it in general so couldn't assume from it.
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It's been covered before (look down a few posts), but the rough spots really shouldn't be an issue unless you blow your line. The spot in 1 you should be to the inside of if you're on the race line and same with 7. If you hit the spot in 1, it definitely gets slick. I've only done it once, but both my tires started sliding pretty good.
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You should be inside of the rough patches anyway. You'll maybe hit the end of them on the exit of T1, but if you're riding over them all the time, you're going through the corner too wide. Those rough pavement strips have done wonders to improve my lines because I can get pretty lazy. Having them there is a good, scary looking reminder to tighten up the line.

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We only had a couple crashes all weekend with NESBA

Yes, those bumps are more reasons to hit your apex and stay on the race line.

I think I hit the bumps a little bit, but since I'm so slow, it didn't have an effect on me
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Ok I was wondering because I hit them only a couple times. Was thinking that if they are not the race line...why would they be so rough then? Cars?
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anyone know who was taking pictures at BHF this weekend?
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Yes, it's the outside tires that are doing the damage, a 15" rim... I'm guessing they are on the accelerator to keep the rear end down as to not slide through the turn...
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anyone know who was taking pictures at BHF this weekend?
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Ok I was wondering because I hit them only a couple times. Was thinking that if they are not the race line...why would they be so rough then? Cars?
Yes the rough stuff is from cars under heavy braking/acceleration. They are a non-issue for bikes since our lines are all inside of the rough stuff. Hit your lines and you should be fine.

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Yes, it's the outside tires that are doing the damage, a 15" rim... I'm guessing they are on the accelerator to keep the rear end down as to not slide through the turn...
Ok, for some reason it seemed too narrow to the inside to assume cars which is why I asked.
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Ok, for some reason it seemed too narrow to the inside to assume cars which is why I asked.
Yea when we walked the track it just didn't look like that is where the cars outside tire would be...

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Yea when we walked the track it just didn't look like that is where the cars outside tire would be...
Maybe it was Bigfoot.
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I ended up off line in T7 and in the rough stuff once and worried I'd crash (friend of mine crashed the weekend before due to that stuff), I ended up going wide and right off the track. I'd slowed down and managed to get thru the curbing and the gravel and on the grass with no problem....as I stopped it seemed like the whole pack went by so my hope that nobody saw it was crushed T1 didn't seem to be as much of a problem for me though but that stuff looked pretty nasty there too

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When I was on there, I saw people staying on the outside of T7 but most of them would go on the inside. I tried the outside, just didn't feel right.

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When I was on there, I saw people staying on the outside of T7 but most of them would go on the inside. I tried the outside, just didn't feel right.
Why the heck would be on the outside? Maybe to make a pass, but even then, I'd probably just square it up and drive them on the exit. Just put your knee in the grass and you won't be anywhere near these spots.

Just imagine that all that rough spot was oil! Thats what we had there earlier this year in turn 1.

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Yea when we walked the track it just didn't look like that is where the cars outside tire would be...
dont forget, since BHF is such a narrow track, most cars put the inside tire on the curbing.. and i mean ON the curbing thru the turns.

if you run the "correct" line (the line is always subjective) you make it thru without a problem. if you hit it, your not on the right line.

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When I was on there, I saw people staying on the outside of T7 but most of them would go on the inside. I tried the outside, just didn't feel right.
NOW thats crazy!! the only people i see do that, are the same people i see later in the day coming in on the crash truck.

as greg said.. KNEE IN THE GRASS! i love coming in and finding grass on my knee pucks, means i'm hitting the apex

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dont forget, since BHF is such a narrow track, most cars put the inside tire on the curbing.. and i mean ON the curbing thru the turns.

if you run the "correct" line (the line is always subjective) you make it thru without a problem. if you hit it, your not on the right line.
That would make sense cause I was thinking aint no car this narrow.

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Those rough patches can be a little sketchy, especially in the bus stop. I got passed on the inside on corner entry a few times and had to take a wider line over the rough stuff. Nothing like having both tires slide a foot at full lean! But like everyone said, if you're on the race line, you'll be on the inside of them.

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NOW thats crazy!! the only people i see do that, are the same people i see later in the day coming in on the crash truck.

as greg said.. KNEE IN THE GRASS! i love coming in and finding grass on my knee pucks, means i'm hitting the apex

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Saturday was my first time back at BHF this year. I was there about 8 days last year and it was a bit smoother. On T1 there's a bit of a rough patch which I did hit a couple times, but I found that my line felt natural just to the inside of that patch and the same for T7. I couldn't recall if that's where I normally run or was just mentally going there due to the roughness. By the end of the day I was running solid 1:23's each lap, so it didn't feel so bad for me. I heard from a few people who attributed some falls to the roughness but wonder if it's bad enough to really do that. I did see quite a few this past weekend go down in 7 but then again it's a common corner to see it in general so couldn't assume from it.
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I ended up off line in T7 and in the rough stuff once and worried I'd crash (friend of mine crashed the weekend before due to that stuff), I ended up going wide and right off the track. I'd slowed down and managed to get thru the curbing and the gravel and on the grass with no problem....as I stopped it seemed like the whole pack went by so my hope that nobody saw it was crushed T1 didn't seem to be as much of a problem for me though but that stuff looked pretty nasty there too
Were you on a green Kawi on Saturday in I? If so, I was on the purple R6 and right on your tail when that happened. I was wondering why whoever that was ran wide because the line seemed otherwise smooth.
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NOW thats crazy!! the only people i see do that, are the same people i see later in the day coming in on the crash truck.

as greg said.. KNEE IN THE GRASS! i love coming in and finding grass on my knee pucks, means i'm hitting the apex
Few of those turns have raised curbing. Actually It bothers me a lot since I use my knee to feel the lean angle. So it's either I'm over breaking or my leg gets bounced pretty hard... the same at grattan . Not as bad though.

The same for the outside of the turn. Would hate to lowside there and get cought by the curb. Something we've run from by doing track days just to find out that the track shares few common street traps.

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Few of those turns have raised curbing. Actually It bothers me a lot since I use my knee to feel the lean angle. So it's either I'm over breaking or my leg gets bounced pretty hard... the same at grattan . Not as bad though.

The same for the outside of the turn. Would hate to lowside there and get cought by the curb. Something we've run from by doing track days just to find out that the track shares few common street traps.
I believe the curbing is high in the left hander after the bust stop, but it's not that bad.

The high curb is in 6a. Just put your knee slider on the face of the curb as you go around. Lift your knee as you see the curbing of 6b. It will yank your knee puck off!

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Few of those turns have raised curbing. Actually It bothers me a lot since I use my knee to feel the lean angle. So it's either I'm over breaking or my leg gets bounced pretty hard... the same at grattan . Not as bad though.

The same for the outside of the turn. Would hate to lowside there and get cought by the curb. Something we've run from by doing track days just to find out that the track shares few common street traps.
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I believe the curbing is high in the left hander after the bust stop, but it's not that bad.
Yup , I run wide there But there are no 2 ways to make the bus stop. You just have to stick to the inside.

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The high curb is in 6a. Just put your knee slider on the face of the curb as you go around. Lift your knee as you see the curbing of 6b. It will yank your knee puck off!
The issue there is that it's a late apex which is not observable at the turnin point(because of the curb again). It messes me up even before all else . Shame ,it is important corner. I wish I had more time and patience to work on that more...

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Yup , I run wide there But there are no 2 ways to make the bus stop. You just have to stick to the inside.



The issue there is that it's a late apex which is not observable at the turnin point(because of the curb again). It messes me up even before all else . Shame ,it is important corner. I wish I had more time and patience to work on that more...
That is not a good place to end up running wide. Late apex it and hit your mark so you NEVER run wide there. (you end up on or near the curbing to many times)h

There are two lines through the bus stop. The race line and the track day line.

The apex of a corner has nothing to do with a turn in point. Set your turn in point and turn when you get there. If you do it right, you'll be on your apex. If not, fine tune with fine body position changes to get to your apex.

It's not that important a corner. I would consider 6b, 7 and 1 more important at BHF.

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