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post #1 of 50 (permalink) Old 12-05-2007, 02:27 PM Thread Starter
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Thinking of tire warmers?

I've been going back and forth on getting tire warmers...whether or not I needed them or whatever. I realized right now that it was more of a money issue than anything. Hopped on ebay, and found these guys:
htt p://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=016&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=260187378312&rd=1 eBay Item #260187378312

I figured that for 160$, I couldnt go wrong. Then I saw they had "make offer". offered them 140$ for these digital tire warmers. An hour or so later, offer accepted. I won the item last thursday night. I got a tracking number 2 days ago on monday. I couldn't get the tracking # to work properly, so figured screw it, i'll just wait (this was with my friend who knows chinese helping translate for me).

Today they showed up. Same as sumomoto. Instructions are sumomoto. I haven't had a chance to try them out (still at work), but I will say that if anyone is going back and forth on which ones to get. Save the extra $ and get the essentially same thing (minus company logo) for a fraction of the price.

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your link is broken, and i'm lazy.

tire warmers are the shit, BUT, i see a handful of people out there that have them and they are slow, they just wasted there money. you dont have to be super fast to have them.. but if its your second trackday, i would think of ways money is better spent.

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tire warmers are the shit, BUT, i see a handful of people out there that have them and they are slow, they just wasted there money.
Like me next year???

The cost of the warmers isn't the bad part, it is the cost of the generator if you buy a good quite one. While I agree mopar that some people have them that don't need them, they can't hurt (assuming you get a set that won't cook your tires).

I asked Tony on my first trackday if I should buy warmers. He said "not until you reach A group". That's a pretty fair estimation at NESBA paces. At top of I or A, it's nice to have warm tires and better traction.

Remember, you don't NEED warmers for trackdays if you are smart and give your tires time to warm up.

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I was going back and forth on the subject. I know tire warmers aren't going to make me faster, but I have had a list of things I've been looking to pick up for this next season. Wasn't actually going to get any until a found a brand new generator in my parents basement .
I wasn't trying to say to anyone....if you feel like pissin away money, then pick these up. Figured someone might be looking to get some, or eventually get some, and found these for this cheap, and so far have appeared quality.

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Track time has a cost. Warming up a tire certainly isn't valuable on track. Kind of a waste of time. But, yeah, it does have a cost.

Some tires need them more than others. But if warming up a tire for two laps costs you five minutes of a fifteen minute session, warmers and a little generator can help give you the real track time you paid for.

Just an alternative thought.

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Track time has a cost. Warming up a tire certainly isn't valuable on track. Kind of a waste of time. But, yeah, it does have a cost.

Some tires need them more than others. But if warming up a tire for two laps costs you five minutes of a fifteen minute session, warmers and a little generator can help give you the real track time you paid for.

Just an alternative thought.

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I have a pair of PD warmers i'll sell you for $175. i think i paid $250ish?? the heating elements are sealed in between layers of silicone (with no airspace); supposed to have more even heating with no hot spots. used only 2 track days....

they work great i just havent been to the track in over a year
figured someone else could put them to use.
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I rarely ever use them at track days, usually only during race days. Tire warmers are great, but it is important for you to know how to get your tires warm on your own. Knowing how they feel when they are warming up underneath you is valuable when it comes to getting to know your bike/tires and when traction is faiding or gained. Once you know and are confident you can feel EXACTLY what your tires are doing underneath you without warmers then I'd say graduate to warmers. If you ride Novice or are back to middle intermediate I'd say forget warmers until you understand the feel of your machine better.

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I appreciate the advice.

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I have two sets, and I never use them. If I were racing, then absolutely. Track days? No way.

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I have two sets, and I never use them. If I were racing, then absolutely. Track days? No way.
yeah but you are never off the track long enough for your tires to cool down

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Amen, Brother Nick. I enjoy the warm up laps and gradually expanding the comfort zone.
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Another one is reduce heat cycles. Anything to help a tire last a little longer.

But like Super Dave states " cost per lap, " in a nut shell.

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Heat cycles? Honestly, the tire's rubber is worn away enough where they don't keep in heat before they have cycled too many times from heating and cooling. Yeah, maybe the tires I used in the 90's would heat cycle, but I even ran some of those out of rubber before too.

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Amen, Brother Nick. I enjoy the warm up laps and gradually expanding the comfort zone.
I am just the opposite. I prefer to go out late and jump in at full speed. If I start out slow, I tend to get comfortable and stay slow-ish.

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I found that tire warmers have a lot of value in the Spring and Fall. Cold morning sessions on new tires can be a little sketchy, but with warmers you're so much less likely to throw it away on cold tires.

I wouldn't say you need them, but you can sure use them. And if you do the math on the the first two laps of every session, they pay for themselves pretty quickly, unless of course you just like those first two laps to get your mind up to speed.
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hell, if anybody wants a set I have a set of Graves tire warmers I will sell for 250 shipped.

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Not to deter people from your for sale, but this was actually meant to show people they could get digital tire warmers for under 200$ Digital Tire Warmers

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I'm not sure about the durability though...


Those warmers are talking a lot about kevlar and nomex, but the real problem with tire heat is the loss of heat through the path of least resistance...the wheels. Air passes through the wheels carrying away the heat that gets put into the tire and the air in the tire. I use actual blankets to cover my wheels in cooler weather. Makes a huge difference.

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From how mine are constructed, and what I've seen of others, I don't know if there is a real concern in regards to durability. I will have to snap some pics, but these seem no different than any others on the market. As far as the loss of heat through the wheel itself......this seems more of a problem with all tire warmers? It would be rather difficult to be able to manufacture a set that would wrap completely around a wheel, that worked for every bike.

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It's simple but effective.

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Very cool. if I would have seen those, I would have went with them. Especially at the price they're at. I'll do a test with mine here and see what the tire temps are looking like around the tire\wheel. My main question with their pictures (and this is because a Stats class in school has made me very critical of stats\info without all the info) is what are all the parameters like for when they took these pictures. I'm not saying that these ones are inferior to "standard" warmers. I gather that it's not too big a deal that the rotors are being encased in the same heat? I know that the motorcycle brakes have far greater air flow going to them as opposed to a car brake rotor. Just wasn't sure if heat-soak in the rotor is an issue.

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The picture is really of the covers they use. The warmers are really simple.

I think you're over thinking the rotor heat. If you heated a tire to 200 degrees, and the rotor too, the rotor's heat still wouldn't approach it's operating temperature.

Think of the wheel and rotors, and everything attached, as part of a radiator of heat for the tire warmer itself. Get it all up to temperature, and one can really put the tire into its proper operating temperature.

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