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Foot peg question

I need a better understanding as to why racers/track riders put solid mount foot pegs on their bikes. Why not keep the flexible joint? While I have had a peg fold up on me, it has only happened once in seven years. Do they really help you "feel" the bike better? Aren't they more susceptible to breaking in a crash?

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work as another frame slider

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Not only a frame slider, but they can move the position of the actual peg giving more clearance for more lean angle.
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solid pegs have a better feel to them in my book, and more grip. in addition to the fact that they are an 1" higher which can give me more lean angle. and yup, works as another frame slider.

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Solid feel - You have to ride a bike with solid pegs to feel the difference. IMO night and day difference.
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*EDIT* Damn, beat me to it, it's been said

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$300 frame slider? You guys must be rich!

So, I take it that they are mostly "bling" for the track. Unless I happen to find some for cheap, I think I will wait.

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wait till you fuck up the stockers, then it's a reason to upgrade.

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The pegs themselves arnt' $300, it's just the rearsets that are that price. You can buy replacement pegs for a lot cheaper, plus it takes a while for pegs to grind down to the point that you will need to replace them.
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The pegs themselves arnt' $300, it's just the rearsets that are that price. You can buy replacement pegs for a lot cheaper, plus it takes a while for pegs to grind down to the point that you will need to replace them.
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better grip, feel and extra slider...

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Don't you guys ever bend the rear set? I am not worried about the peg it self, but the bracket it bolts too. They look to be machined real thin, to save weight. Light = weak. I just don't want to spend a bunch of money on rear-sets, and then have them break the first crash. For what it costs to go to the track, I would hate to go home early because of a simple low side that breaks a foot peg.

I guess it is hard for me to understand why the only pivoted part on a bike is removed for an expensive solid mount. While all the other solid pieces are replaced with pivoting pieces, to prevent breaking.

I suppose I will probably get some rear-set's with solid pegs if I can fine them for the right price. I will just have to keep my stockers in the toolbox.

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Rearsets are way stronger than the stock brackets, since they are usually billet or hi-grade aluminum, and the stockers are POS cast pot metal.

The stockers fold up, cuz they are generally much lower than rearsets, and contact the ground. Being that rearsets are higher, they won't contact the ground usually, unless a handlebar touches the ground.

Def keep the stockers for spares, so a broken peg or bracket doesnt end your day. I've heard rearsets breaking or bending the tabs on the frame that they mount to, before bending themselves.. good or bad, you be the judge.
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3 lowsides with my woodcraft rear sets, only had to replace the rearset bracket 1 time.

with stock rearsets on my F4, i was dragging peg all over the place, switched to WoodCraft ones that were higher, mucho better. the 'feel' alone was worth the money.

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also aftermarket rearsets are not needed for the beginner or novice racer. theres people out in A group still running stock rearsets.

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also aftermarket rearsets are not needed for the beginner or novice racer. theres people out in A group still running stock rearsets.
<- beginner/novice junkie present, scares the crap outta me when I drag peg.
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+1

It's an easy way to manufacture it too.

Some bikes need the extra ground clearance of the full rear set kit, others aren't so bad. Some bikes can be adapted with plates to move the pegs higher and maybe back.

My '03 R6 had been down a few times on the track in the five seasons it was used on track...I still had the original pegs on it until the last get off in 2007. They were ground down, but still functional.

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Depending on the situation (in regards to cast stock rearsets), Casting can be stronger than machined parts out of a "billet" chunk of material. Aluminum for example, when brought to a liquid state, the molecules are moving around like mad, when they are poured into their mold, the molecules will tend to set in even patterns throughout the part, including in funky shapes. When a part is machined from a "billet" chunk of material, the molecules end up in rest in the form you originally see it, the billet chunk. Now when this part is then machined, you will break some of these strands\bonds down in areas. IE, they aren't formed in the shape that the part now looks like.

This isn't to say that a machined part is weaker than a cast part. There are far too many factors in all of this. The material used, source of the material, process used to make material, thickness of the end part, design of the part...The list goes on and on. If you feel your stock rearsets are working fine for you, then so be it, rock em till you feel you need something else. Not until someone else tells you you need something else.

Now if you feel you want to try rearsets in a different location, but feel that aftermarket rearsets are ridiculous in price and if by some chance you have resources to make something...I suggest what I did and make a small adapter plate that moves the stock footpegs to where you want them. May not work for every application, but sure as heck saved me a lot of $, and accomplished the same thing.

Hope that helps at least a little bit.

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"A" group here and still on the stockers and never scraped a peg. Have scraped toe a couple of times. I tried aftermarket rearsets (woodcraft) and just couldn't get comfortable with the higher and further back position (I'm 6'3" or so). I think I may put the woodcraft pegs on my stock rearsets though. really liked the feel of the heavy knurl and the more solid peg.
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I replaced the factory pegs on the SV last year with woodcraft solid mount pegs. They tucked the peg in a bit just by getting rid of the pivot point. I had a few times trying to set up for a corner and the stockers folding up on me due to dragging my foot up to the proper position for the corner. Also enjoyed the extra grip.

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All these reasons are good and valid, but the primary reason they were developed was for more stability when you are on the bike. Ideally when hanging off the bike in a turn, your weight is being supported by your legs and feet on the pegs and you want them to be solid when you are moving the bike around by the pegs. Your weight becomes more of a factor and steering assist the faster you get. You can see amateurs just sitting on the seat and steering with the bars and experts off the seat and moving around quite a bit to help steer the bike with minimal effort on the bars. You are supporting your entire body every turn you make. That is why most of the factory riders will train with bicycles and such because the faster you get the more strenuous it is.

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andrewgore, I have been thinking about machining some at work, but I don't realy have the time.

chiperf, I agree that training on bicycle is neccessary, I should get back into it.

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