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BHF T2 trees going away

http://www.ccsforum.com/index.php/to...html#msg167577

I never really noticed them being so close, but I did like the way they made T2 really scenic, especially in summer. Like riding through a forest!

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I'm trying to picture Turn-2 in the photos, but I'm lost in all that white shiot everywhere.

I gotta go look at the track map :

EDIT: The camera is shooting "counter race"...That's what messed me up When I watch my video, I can see the barriers, and how that's where the bike would go if you went down. Never really paid close attention to that turn before now.

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Turn 2 is faaaaaaasssssst.


A Fed's ZX-10 popped out of gear there and impacted the guardrail big time.


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Turn 2 is faaaaaaasssssst.

+1 turn 2 is very fast, and a left hander which means it's one of my favorites. Tony loves lefts.




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+1 turn 2 is very fast, and a left hander which means it's one of my favorites. Tony loves lefts.
You must love Putnam then

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You must love Putnam then
Yup, I actually enjoy turn 4




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i'm way too slow for T2 ever to have been an issue, always felt like a wide open throttle kink to me.

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bought time, nothing like hitting T2 perfect knee on the inside rumble strip and pushing it to the next one going towards those trees.



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i'm way too slow for T2 ever to have been an issue, always felt like a wide open throttle kink to me.
Thats what I think of it as. Bang into 3rd just past the exit of 1, keep it pinned, then grab 4th maybe 50 yrds past hitting the inside rumble strip.

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Thats what I think of it as. Bang into 3rd just past the exit of 1, keep it pinned, then grab 4th maybe 50 yrds past hitting the inside rumble strip.
4th gear?!

I barely use 3rd on that track, 4th on the straight.

Is T2 the little kink right after 1, or is it a little bigger right before 3?
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The little kink to the left before the carousel (T3)

http://blackhawkfarms.com/bhf/trackoverview.php

Now that I'm looking at it, I should probably be able to carry 3rd through T1. The Stupid Gixxer was just so much fun to point n' shoot though.

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i never really saw them as a problem.
Garth was life flighted out of there because of those trees. Personally, I'm very glad to see them go. Some of the scariest passing is done at turn 2 on lap 1.

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Hope they move the guardrail too.


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There shouldn't be any reason not to. I still remember waiting to checkout from having my neck smack into that thing in last July's crash. Went from knocking on the door of 14's to just being greatful I could feel pain in my legs in a matter of seconds because that corner is scary fast.
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I'd like to see more runoff in 4 next on the agenda. There is plenty of room for it, just will cost a lot. Airfence can only do so much.

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There shouldn't be any reason not to. I still remember waiting to checkout from having my neck smack into that thing in last July's crash. Went from knocking on the door of 14's to just being greatful I could feel pain in my legs in a matter of seconds because that corner is scary fast.
That was a pretty hairy crash, and getting rid of the armco and trees would've made it less so, I think.

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Little kink......


Well over 100 MPH rotate and drop your knee.

Lose it at rotation and you have about 15 feet before it's really painful.

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What about the curb on the outside of 6? I heard it hurts too.
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Crashing sucks anywhere...



What you really need to LOOK for are solid objects in the crash path
that are near the racing surface..... things you might IMPACT if
things go wrong.


BHF - Turn 2 - Armco Fence Trees

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What you really need to LOOK for are solid objects in the crash path
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BHF - Turn 2 - Armco Fence Trees

Gingerman - Turn 11 - Pit wall

Road America - used to be the old kink, now outside the new kink.

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You need to make conscious decisions about where to ride at 100% and
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Little kink......


Well over 100 MPH rotate and drop your knee.

Lose it at rotation and you have about 15 feet before it's really painful.

Worst safety issue at BHF.... with driveway / wall outside Turn 5 not far behind.


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+1 I used to think turn 2 was a kink. But as speeds increase, you realize how much of a turn it really is. I'm at full lean banging the rev limiter at the top of 3rd gear as I apex there. Scary, not so safe, but yet one of my favorite turns there. Glad to see BHF is that much safer. Kudos to the new owner for all the improvements for this season

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+1 I used to think turn 2 was a kink. But as speeds increase, you realize how much of a turn it really is. I'm at full lean banging the rev limiter at the top of 3rd gear as I apex there. Scary, not so safe, but yet one of my favorite turns there. Glad to see BHF is that much safer. Kudos to the new owner for all the improvements for this season
agreed, i grab a gear before going into that turn, full lean and just keep that throttle open, no slowing down!

yeah its a hairly place to pass there, i have been shoved around going thru there, and been the one doing the shoving

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Expect some more of that this season


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I was going to say you may want to try fourth shortly after leaving one, b/c I'm usually at 11 or 12k by the exit of t2, then drop it to 3rd right b4 or after 3. Hairy indeed, I was chasing AJ thru the experts and was passing one on the inside of T2 and he claimed he didn't see me but clipped my rear wheel and sent us both tumbling almost all the way to three.

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Wow...after reading some of these posts...

I am riding way too slow through there

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Wow...after reading some of these posts...

I am riding way too slow through there
+1 Now I know where to knock off a few seconds.
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+1 Now I know where to knock off a few seconds.
you'r not gonnna get too much of a boost there. In afew secs. heavy braking zone begins before entering turn 3. But , i concur, dragging parts in turn 2 will cleary distinguish you from the rest of the group

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