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Acceptable tires and track prep for 1st trackday (rides?)

Was going to upgrade to corsa3's for my 1st trackday (and hopefully many more) this year. however, i only put on 1000mi TOPS on my old street tires, regular old diablos from last year. being a beginner, i doubt i will be going hard enough that this should be an issue, but if i wanna keep those street tires on just a lil longer would it hurt to just take 1 trackday w/them or are track tires really that necessary? feel like its a waste to dump them after so little use...
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Was going to upgrade to corsa3's for my 1st trackday (and hopefully many more) this year. however, i only put on 1000mi TOPS on my old street tires, regular old diablos from last year. being a beginner, i doubt i will be going hard enough that this should be an issue, but if i wanna keep those street tires on just a lil longer would it hurt to just take 1 trackday w/them or are track tires really that necessary? feel like its a waste to dump them after so little use
90% of this game is between your ears. Confidence is absolutely crucial to riding well at any level. Buy the Corsa III's, and use them for every second you are on the track. Track time is expensive, why waste it rolling around on questionable tires? At best it will slow your learning curve and worst it will put you on butt.

Track Day / Street tires work great. Street tires however are just too hard to give you the grip you need at the track.

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Those stock tires are probably hard as rocks. This ain't the Flintstones man. No stone tires.

Put a fresh set of Michelin Pilot Powers on there. Best bang for the buck track/street tire out there.

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What hix said. Get the DCIII's and make sure you're not riding around questioning your tires. My first day I used the set of Metzelers I had been riding around on the street with, and ended up ass over tea kettle (probably not due to the tires, but certainly couldn't have hurt having a little extra grip).

Plus, those DCIII's will last you many many track days even at a faster pace than you'll be doing, so if you're going to get them eventually, just do it now. Sell off your street tires to offset the cost a bit.
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I ran street tires my first track day with 3k miles. I had a few slips that messed me up in the head on exiting. They were hard as rocks after 2 beginner days...

I ran some fresh(er) Pilot Powers my 2nd track day that didn't slip once, think they had a little over 600 miles.
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I've done a couple of laps with both the Pilot Race and the Pilot Powers. Yes, one can go faster with the Pilot Race, but the Pilot Power wasn't far off. And it didn't deteriorate as much over a long period as a race tire would.

You've got a lot of choices. Recognize that each tire manufacture will make their tire in a "size", as in 120/70R17, but the contour and actual height of the tire will be different from manufacturer to manufacturer, and even within a manufacturer. So, how it "feels" to you might be more or less comfortable, or maybe a better word would be unfamiliar.

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Michelin 2CTs are plenty of tire for the track, unless you are in Advanced. Blarney rips those up for back to back sessions.

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Hmmm...interesting take on this. well just wanna clarify that i already had corsa3's in anticipation of the track season, so thats my chocie. i was considering selling off my current tires since theyre pretty usable (tho i will lose badly on the deal, hah) but they are NOT the stock tires. but based on this i think i will do as you guys advise, swap them out. still open for opinions tho.
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Hmmm...interesting take on this. well just wanna clarify that i already had corsa3's in anticipation of the track season, so thats my chocie. i was considering selling off my current tires since theyre pretty usable (tho i will lose badly on the deal, hah) but they are NOT the stock tires. but based on this i think i will do as you guys advise, swap them out. still open for opinions tho.
also, any takers w/extra trailer space? or does anybody know if uhaul offers a multi-bike trailer?
I've done the enclosed U-Haul trailer before. Its not so bad, just make sure you pick it up the day before. There are plenty of tie down points and the Baxley Sport Chock is a must!

Actually last year, I got two Suzukis in it just fine. Its cheap too.

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I use a set of plain ole Diablos as my cold, damp weather tires. (next stop rains) They have been replaced in the Pirelli lineup with the Rossos and those get a pretty good review as a street biased track tire. That Diablo may be the perfect tire if it is cool/cold and damp. (or light intermitant wet stuff)
I used mine at HPT last summer when we had our green track sunday. They worked great in the patchy wet and even when things dried they were capable of a decent pace.
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How many track days do you plan to do this year? If you are only doing a couple, keep your old street tires and put them back on afterwards. You might be fine even running those tires on the track but it's worth it for the peace of mind if nothing else to get fresh rubber... even if there is plenty of tread left on your tires they might be hard as hell from street use. I've dumped a bike on hard street tires before and there is nothing else that will make you feel quite as stupid as an easily preventable tire-related crash.

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also, any takers w/extra trailer space? or does anybody know if uhaul offers a multi-bike trailer?

I have room for extra bikes on the way to a lot of the tracks. Give me a PM and we can see what we can do for ya. I go to most all of the Midwest and Midcentral events.

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90% of this game is between your ears. Confidence is absolutely crucial to riding well at any level. Buy the Corsa III's, and use them for every second you are on the track. Track time is expensive, why waste it rolling around on questionable tires? At best it will slow your learning curve and worst it will put you on butt.

Track Day / Street tires work great. Street tires however are just too hard to give you the grip you need at the track.

See ya out there!
Whoa, I just saw this thread...does this mean I shouldn't do a trackday w/ my stock Bridgestone BT014's?? I'm a novice too and didn't think I could push them hard enough to their limits, but I dont wanna go out there and get a nasty surprise!

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Whoa, I just saw this thread...does this mean I shouldn't do a trackday w/ my stock Bridgestone BT014's?? I'm a novice too and didn't think I could push them hard enough to their limits, but I dont wanna go out there and get a nasty surprise!


Depends how new they are....


If they have a couple thousand miles on 'em from last year..... they are as
hard as bowling balls and worthless for the track.

Crashing is painful, awkward, confidence crushing, hard on your bike and expensive.

New tires are cheap easy and confidence inspiring.



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I ran street tires my first track day with 3k miles. I had a few slips that messed me up in the head on exiting. They were hard as rocks after 2 beginner days...

I ran some fresh(er) Pilot Powers my 2nd track day that didn't slip once, think they had a little over 600 miles.
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Whoa, I just saw this thread...does this mean I shouldn't do a trackday w/ my stock Bridgestone BT014's?? I'm a novice too and didn't think I could push them hard enough to their limits, but I dont wanna go out there and get a nasty surprise!
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Depends how new they are....


If they have a couple thousand miles on 'em from last year..... they are as
hard as bowling balls and worthless for the track.

Crashing is painful, awkward, confidence crushing, hard on your bike and expensive.

New tires are cheap easy and confidence inspiring.



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EDIT: I didn't fall and luckily I recovered, but moy confidence went to the shitter, and am glad it did on those tires.
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Holy crap!! Yeh, I definately don't wanna be worried about that-especially if Im tryin to focus. Guess I gotta hold off for now on the trackday...I'm really not able to take off my wheels on my own so it would be expensive for me to changed tires

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Holy crap!! Yeh, I definately don't wanna be worried about that-especially if Im tryin to focus. Guess I gotta hold off for now on the trackday...I'm really not able to take off my wheels on my own so it would be expensive for me to changed tires
You can find some cheap tires at sportbiketrackgear.com and we can help get the wheels off. It is easy, I didn't know how to do it last year, I even put my front wheel on backwards and rode 600 miles through the rain and an entire track day before someone, from the board, noticed it.



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You can find some cheap tires at sportbiketrackgear.com and we can help get the wheels off. It is easy, I didn't know how to do it last year, I even put my front wheel on backwards and rode 600 miles through the rain and an entire track day before someone, from the board, noticed it.



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hahaha thats awesome! Yeh, i got a rear stand, i'll prolly just try pick up a front one so i can do it and then take them over to Jim's.

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What hix said. My first day I used the set of Metzelers I had been riding around on the street with, and ended up ass over tea kettle (probably not due to the tires, but certainly couldn't have hurt having a little extra grip).
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Tires rule. Make sure you keep the rubber side down. Tires are cheaper than repairs, as well as cheaper than the hospital.

When you are on the track, getting passed, seeing others drag knee, the natural tendency is to try to follow, to try to mimic, to try to emulate. What most don't realize, is that maybe, just maybe that guy that just smoked you is on NEW tires, designed for the track...

Better safe than sorry. Just my .02.

As far as changing tires, we changed a heck of a lot of tires free for folks this past weekend at the Tech Day. BTW - tires at the track include a free change with NESBA and Turn One Racing.

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As far as changing tires, we changed a heck of a lot of tires free for folks this past weekend at the Tech Day. BTW - tires at the track include a free change with NESBA and Turn One Racing.
Yeh i was gonna stop by since it looks like u live right by me but i wasnt thinkin i needed new tires since these only have about 800 miles on them.

If I buy some pilot powers at a nesba trackday, do I still have to take them off the bike myself? OR can they do this for me?

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Yeh i was gonna stop by since it looks like u live right by me but i wasnt thinkin i needed new tires since these only have about 800 miles on them.

If I buy some pilot powers at a nesba trackday, do I still have to take them off the bike myself? OR can they do this for me?
NESBA is sponsored by Pirelli, so you'll be getting even better tires.
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If I buy some pilot powers at a nesba trackday, do I still have to take them off the bike myself? OR can they do this for me?
The free mounting is for wheels in hand and you take your old tires with you. I am sure someone on CLSB can help you take your tires for you.

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