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Any autocrossers out there?

I'm looking to do a few autocrosses this year, so any general advice is appreciated.

My first question is where can I go to try on some different helmets? I'm leaning toward open-face and am wondering if full-face would be better.

I signed up for a Driver's Education event with PCA that will be held at BHF in May, so I have a few weeks to find the right helmet.

What other recommendations do you guys have?

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I've done 1 HPDE at BHF through MSCC and it was a pretty solid time. I just used my motorcycle helmet and didn't worry about getting anything different (I'm assuming you have a motorcycle helmet being on a motorcycle forum and all). Worked just fine.

Thing that sucked is with my car, if I put 2 mods on my car, I'd be in a high enough classificatoin where I needed a harness... sucks cause there are no harnesses for my car that would fit right unless I did some drilling...

Anyway, I'd say just sign up and rock it out.

The car at BHF seemed pretty different than the bike and definitely took some different finessing.

Here's a vid from one of my sessions from that day. didn't really enjoy it when the 3000gt looped it in corner 6 though...

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M-class helmets are not allowed because they are tested to different standards than the SA2005 standard that's required for PCA autocross.

The two main differences between the standards are:

1. SA2005 has a flame resistant liner
2. SA2005 is rated for multiple impacts

That's a pretty cool vid, stive. This first event I'm signed up (at BHF) for is Driver's Education for Novices. The whole time I'm on the track I'll have an instructor in the car with me. So it will be just learning to handle the car at first.

My car is completely stock and I don't plan on any mods, though I think suspension and brake mods are the first ones I'll be doing if I really like this AutoX thing.


Hey John, are you looking to do some as well?

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From what I remember I thought scca autocrossing required a full face helmet while participating. You should verify that open face helmets are allowed.

I have been wanting to to autocross but haven't gotten around to it yet. Let us know how it goes.

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Yes I am Chris. BWMCCA has quite a few AX events in the area.
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Yes I am Chris. BWMCCA has quite a few AX events in the area.
Cool, John. Would you consider doing that DE event at BHF in May? I think its more than just a PCA event; open to all cars.


Heesh, I know the PCA events I'm looking at allow open face, but if I like this stuff and move into other events I'll want to be in line with their rules.

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Yeh Chris, send me a link on the rules. Id defintely be up for it. I just hope you drive better than you do in F2.

BHF, or any track, isnt AX though as your title suggests. AX is held in a parking lot generally and is a cone course. MUCH cheaper, technical, and lower speed.
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I don't recall the difference between Solo I or Solo II. They're both autocross. One kind is done in a parking lot or other closed course. The other one is done on a race track, but your spaced out so there will never be any passing it's all about time. I believe the race track ones require far more car prep.

I did it for a while. I think it was Solo II. The parking lot stuff. I didn't like the amount of effort needed for me to get very little seat time.

You get up early to get there. Have to go through tech. You have to work at a station or position through out the day. I only got about 5-6 1-2 minute runs. Just didn't seem worth the hassle to me.

I have a friend that does it as much as he can. Get hooked up with a group and like a good track day org, they'll take you under their wing and you'll be having fun in no time.

Now is a good time of year to start to look into this.

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Solo 1 is high speed with no kones on a track. Solo 2 is in a parking lot with cones.



All the regular autox or hpde clubs allow MC helmets. PCA is the exception.

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My bro did SpeedtrialUSA when he lived up here. He worked tech for them too. The did most of the same tracks as Nesba and STT. Motorcycle helmets were allowed.

I went with him a few times. It was very well run.

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Yeh Chris, send me a link on the rules. Id defintely be up for it. I just hope you drive better than you do in F2.

BHF, or any track, isnt AX though as your title suggests. AX is held in a parking lot generally and is a cone course. MUCH cheaper, technical, and lower speed.
Here's the link, John, from the PCA site. It says May 9th, but it is actually May 7th.

http://www.pca-chicago.org/?getpage=80

I hope I'm better than F2, too!! As long as SuperSpud isn't there to knock me off the track.

I know AX isn't what I'm doing at BHF. My plan is to do the DE event at BHF and learn how to handle my car then do AX events. The equipment requirements are standard because PCA runs all of the events.

The BHF event is a once-a-year thing where you've got an instructor in the car with you, so I want to take advantage of that.


Thanks for the tips, guys. Loudes, I'll check out those websites. I hope I can find a place around here that has helmets to try on.

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Aside from some threshold braking exercises and slalom exercises they may have you do at BHF the skills you will learn driving on a track will be almost useless when you participate in an autocross event.

I think both are usefull skills to have and would recommend doing both at first, but at some point the skills from one are going to impair you progressing in the other.

Has PCA finally changed their rules on convertables at the track? I used to have a 911 targa and would get hassled from time to time. I know the Audi club would not allow TT roadsters or A4 cab's at their DE events.
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Aside from some threshold braking exercises and slalom exercises they may have you do at BHF the skills you will learn driving on a track will be almost useless when you participate in an autocross event.

I think both are usefull skills to have and would recommend doing both at first, but at some point the skills from one are going to impair you progressing in the other.

Has PCA finally changed their rules on convertables at the track? I used to have a 911 targa and would get hassled from time to time. I know the Audi club would not allow TT roadsters or A4 cab's at their DE events.
Thanks for the advice. I do understand there is a big difference between track driving and AX driving. This first event (DE) is once-a-year and I'd like to take advantage of it. I've never done anything but street driving with my Pcar so any kind of instruction will be helpful.

I'm not sure if PCA has changed their rules since I'm new to this. I just know that I don't have to make any mods to my Boxster since it has an integrated roll bar already.

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If those roll bars got into a gravel trap or grass all they would do is dig in.

I just checked the PCA website and they use the "broomstick test", so you should be all good to go.

With the top down, a broomstick handle or other straight object is placed between the windshield and the highest point on the roll bar (factory bar, aftermarket roll bar extender, or aftermarket bolted in roll bar). There must be sufficient clearance (1" Minimum) between the bottom of the broomstick and the top of the driver's helmet when the driver is sitting in his/her normal driving position.

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If those roll bars got into a gravel trap or grass all they would do is dig in.
I'm sure they would. I don't make the rules, I just do what they say.

http://www.pca-chicago.org/?getpage=91

All Cabs in all classes (except Boxsters & 996 and later Porsche) must have Roll bar or better.

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A really good friend of mine does this with his Mustang. He is big time into it. Chris, PM me if you are interested in getting in contact with him. I think this will be his 5th year doing it.

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Where we live is the central division. Go to SCCA.com and look for the solo link. They have a beginner class/school at Route 66 in the beginning of April. I guess they set up the parking lot with a big course. They have a guy ride along with you and give you pointers. It's a 2 day event. Check it out.

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Thanks for the links, guys. There are more autocross people on there than I thought.

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Chris,

Mike was trying to get all into detail with me on the phone about Autocross just like he always does when we're slurping beers at his brothers shop.

I'm like, "Dude, I race motorcycles, I don't care about your car crap." Damn cagers.

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Chris,

Mike was trying to get all into detail with me on the phone about Autocross just like he always does when we're slurping beers at his brothers shop.

I'm like, "Dude, I race motorcycles, I don't care about your car crap." Damn cagers.

I'm sure he sounded like you when someone asks about racing bikes.

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Chills, I did the PCA event at Road America two years ago and had a blast in the DE class. A few tips....

Don't pass anybody the first lap as per the rules or you will be ostracized from the Porschephiles very quickly. I managed to piss off about 7 people on the first lap because I didn't pay attention in the rider's meeting and got the in the pits from all those people. What else is new? Rulebreaker from birth.

I went up there with just an M rated helmet only to be told very matter of factly thanks for your money now go home unless you can produce an SA rated helmet. I borrowed one from another guy just to get through tech and then wore my Arai in the practices. Make sure you have one before you go, it will save a lot of hassles.

Bleed your brakes. If you are doing it right you will notice this is not a "spirited" drive on a country road. You will be pushing it a little harder each lap and at BHF you will be braking a lot. Fresh brake fluid is a must. You don't want to do it at the track.

Talk to people. Most of the people there had a great wealth of knowledge of Porsches and loved to talk about them. Lots of info and setup tips to be had if you like that sort of thing.

Torque your lug nuts. Not sure why but everybody says they loosen up on the track. They will also check this in tech.

I never had an instructor in my car, but they offered, so I would guess it isn't mandatory but an option unless things have changed.

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As long as your motorcycle helmet is Snell approved, it is legal as far as SCCA Solo II rules.

I used to run a lot of Solo II events but don't anymore. I personally wouldn't bother as you they are long days of chasing cones for about 5 minutes of seat time, typically 4-6 runs in a day that might rang from 35-70 seconds, depending on the track layout.

Sure they are cheaper than track days, but you'll have 10x the fun lapping around Autobahn or something like that.

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Thanks for the tips, Bob! That's some good advice. Did you do the DE event with your 993TT?

For now I'll be sticking with PCA events, so I need to have the SA-05 helmet.


Thanks, Brian. I did see that inspection sheet, and as far as I know the only thing I really need to do is flush the brake lines. Everything else on my car is on the up-and-up. However, I will take you up on your offer in PMs.

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Has anyone here witnessed a crash at one of these events? Call me conservative, but this is my daily driver and I need to get to work on Monday.
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