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Pit bike fees

Anyone remember/know what pit bike fees (per day/per season) are for Blackhawk and Road America? Just wondering thanks.

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I think Blackhawk was 50 or 75 bucks? Not sure, check the website. I just bring my mountain bike to get around. Screw paying those stupid fees. Like you're not paying enough to get there with gas, doing the track day or races, buy tires, food and beer. They can stick that pit bike fee up there ass for all I care. Yes, this is exactly what I think.

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I think Blackhawk was 50 or 75 bucks? Not sure, check the website. I just bring my mountain bike to get around. Screw paying those stupid fees. Like you're not paying enough to get there with gas, doing the track day or races, buy tires, food and beer. They can stick that pit bike fee up there ass for all I care. Yes, this is exactly what I think.
They could had banned them altogether. Thank the morons who screwed around on them and getting hurt. Wasnt just the morons at the CCS events. Some at the car events helped also.


As for a day charge, I think its $10 or $15.


As for RA, not sure. I know spectators arent supposed to use them unless they are currently licensed for street use. This may have changed after the bad crash at last years CCS/ARSA/MotoST event when some drunk woman ran into the boulders in front of the restroom at approx 30mph on a scooter.

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50 for the season at Blackhawk. otherwise 15 per event

RA I think it was 20 for the weekend.




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Maybe I'll just strap a plate to the 50.

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I agree with Nick screw paying the money we pay enpugh moeny to them. Strap a plate on that mofo
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Better have a valid registration slip for it then. Tom isnt stupid.
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Better have a valid registration slip for it then. Tom isnt stupid.
No, but some of the people at road America are.

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if you guys DIG deep in that brain bucket you will see for what this really is and the reason why they are charging for this service. (any track)

it involves knowing what to do as a business and what they are already paying for to conduct business and another form of collecting revenue for a convenience of one that could be gathered for which they own the the whole grounds on which you enter. this is nothing more then a small way to gather more revenue.

if its not, SIMPLY BAN any and all none licensed vehicles to be on the said premises.

not only that soon enough or if they haven't already thought about it and or practice it in most places.

vehicle charges based on type/weight= excuses wear and tear and maintaining the roads or paths

the list can go on and on, but the fact at hand is the pit bikes.

my view based on knowing business and any and all company's doing business carry insurance for all there needs. of course general liability which is a general all around insurance policy to cover injury's, malpractice etc, etc, etc.

so there is NO NEW COST to cover little pocket bikes, that injury is the same as it is for another/many ways to be covered on. as well as other policy's.

its a way to make MORE money.

and face it, thats what we all do as consumers and business owners. make money and look for ways to make more at it, or change it for something else that makes MORE money.


bla bla bla.

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That is the reason I avoid these 2 places.
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That is the reason I avoid these 2 places.
let me play devils advocate for a moment.

as a consumer we primary pay for things we:

we don't posses the knowledge to build or do for a complete item
we want the convenience
we can not as whole posses so we own a part of a whole until paid off as a whole to own.

(some more i just wanted to cover those)

so in turn we go to business for there service and or products.
most of us try to get the best deals for such, some don't care cause for the money time and expense researching the cost is not a factor.

hence when a limited market is specialized it can capture and or use a higher captive of revenue building/usage request for its services and or products.

the more common the more its cost is lowered and a competitive market ensues.

tracks in this case have that right, if not go build your own just like it if you don't want to pay the fee to ride yourself around to save time and expense or leisure.

this conversation is as futile as it is the small fee for such a convenience to have that availability for all said reasons and more.


so in closing i am playing devils advocate, they have you by the balls and wither or not the .000% dont go to there location or doesn't pay for it. it doesn't mean shit on the total grossing of such a said business


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let me play devils advocate for a moment.

as a consumer we primary pay for things we:

we don't posses the knowledge to build or do for a complete item
we want the convenience
we can not as whole posses so we own a part of a whole until paid off as a whole to own.

(some more i just wanted to cover those)

so in turn we go to business for there service and or products.
most of us try to get the best deals for such, some don't care cause for the money time and expense researching the cost is not a factor.

hence when a limited market is specialized it can capture and or use a higher captive of revenue building/usage request for its services and or products.

the more common the more its cost is lowered and a competitive market ensues.

tracks in this case have that right, if not go build your own just like it if you don't want to pay the fee to ride yourself around to save time and expense or leisure.

this conversation is as futile as it is the small fee for such a convenience to have that availability for all said reasons and more.


so in closing i am playing devils advocate, they have you by the balls and wither or not the .000% dont go to there location or doesn't pay for it. it doesn't mean shit on the total grossing of such a said business


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Exactly that is why I spend my money elsewhere at other tracks.

Tracks that I have been to recently that don't charge for riding your own pit bike with your enty fee payment
VIR
Barber
Jennings
Road Atlanta
Beaverun
Grattan
Gingerman
Putnam
Autobaun
Thunderhill
Willowsprings

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Just an FYI , at any of the AMA races pit bikes are only allowed in the paddock if you have a AMA pit bike sticker. This also includes golf carts and mule type vehicles. Licensed racers can get these in registration. if your caught goofing off or being stupid,they take the number off the sticker and the rider is penalized for your antics.
AMA is another whole event in its self, if i was you Jim i would have the guys carried around like in roman times.



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Exactly that is why I spend my money elsewhere at other tracks.

if everyone follows suit then you'll have less choices to make.

(just being devils advocate) but i am with you on your clause.



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if everyone follows suit then you'll have less choices to make.

(just being devils advocate) but i am with you on your clause.
I am just trying to be a smart consumer. I am not going to go somewhere that doesn't aid to my needs. I hear what your saying Oddy but i am sick of people telling us what we can or cannot do when we spend alot of money being there. Then they wonder why there are not alot of fans that show up at these events.
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I am just trying to be a smart consumer. I am not going to go somewhere that doesn't aid to my needs. I hear what your saying Oddy but i am sick of people telling us what we can or cannot do when we spend alot of money being there. Then they wonder why there are not alot of fans that show up at these events.
TRUST ME i know what your saying i am dealing with issues like these all the time around me.

i mean no disrespect for what you want to do, i understand all sides.

in fact maybe 1 day ill own a track myself, put on events, under cut every track out there and still make a couple million after the overhead at the end of the year. allow people to be adults with there own pit bikes and more and have a track for such goof offs to go to when different needs are for the many.

but in reality you know its far easier to charge 15 bucks to use something then it is to toss them out for goofing off and having them not come back for such treatment.


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TRUST ME i know what your saying i am dealing with issues like these all the time around me.

i mean no disrespect for what you want to do, i understand all sides.

in fact maybe 1 day ill own a track myself, put on events, under cut every track out there and still make a couple million after the overhead at the end of the year. allow people to be adults with there own pit bikes and more and have a track for such goof offs to go to when different needs are for the many.

but in reality you know its far easier to charge 15 bucks to use something then it is to toss them out for goofing off and having them not come back for such treatment.


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4&6, the AMA pit bike phylosophy works

This is the nitty gritty OK...

If you are a registered "RIDER" at a given racetrack they should give you the "privaledge" to obtain let's say 2 pit bike passes. It is "YOUR" responsibility as a "RIDER" to use your best judgment operating your pit vehicle. Like 4&6 said if you fuck up, they take the sticker and you're done. Plain and simple.

Then maybe they charge a fee for spectators or something. But not the riders. The riders and racers are the ones spending all the big money to be there participating already.

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4&6, the AMA pit bike phylosophy works

This is the nitty gritty OK...

If you are a registered "RIDER" at a given racetrack they should give you the "privaledge" to obtain let's say 2 pit bike passes. It is "YOUR" responsibility as a "RIDER" to use your best judgment operating your pit vehicle. Like 4&6 said if you fuck up, they take the sticker and you're done. Plain and simple.

Then maybe they charge a fee for spectators or something. But not the riders. The riders and racers are the ones spending all the big money to be there participating already.
I cannot beleive I am agreeing with you twice in 1 thread.
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4&6, the AMA pit bike phylosophy works

This is the nitty gritty OK...

If you are a registered "RIDER" at a given racetrack they should give you the "privaledge" to obtain let's say 2 pit bike passes. It is "YOUR" responsibility as a "RIDER" to use your best judgment operating your pit vehicle. Like 4&6 said if you fuck up, they take the sticker and you're done. Plain and simple.

Then maybe they charge a fee for spectators or something. But not the riders. The riders and racers are the ones spending all the big money to be there participating already.
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I cannot beleive I am agreeing with you twice in 1 thread.
Well it can't happen three times in a row so here I go.

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p.s. nick just like you ive been saying that imposed fee to the RIDERS is bullshit and it should only be a revenue generator for NON riders.


hell if i owned a track, there would be curtsying umbrella girls for the riders, YES JUST for track days.

also, ahhh ill keep my mouth shut before someone steals my ideas. dude i have a whole business plan i have allocated the day i move forward with one.

to say the least it will by far blow away any course out there for course lay out amenities, and services.



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p.s. nick just like you ive been saying that imposed fee to the RIDERS is bullshit and it should only be a revenue generator for NON riders.


hell if i owned a track, there would be curtsying umbrella girls for the riders, YES JUST for track days.

also, ahhh ill keep my mouth shut before someone steals my ideas. dude i have a whole business plan i have allocated the day i move forward with one.

to say the least it will by far blow away any course out there for course lay out amenities, and services.

Cool, will you build 1/8 mile and 1/2 mile oval dirt tracks to?

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p.s. nick just like you ive been saying that imposed fee to the RIDERS is bullshit and it should only be a revenue generator for NON riders.


hell if i owned a track, there would be curtsying umbrella girls for the riders, YES JUST for track days.

also, ahhh ill keep my mouth shut before someone steals my ideas. dude i have a whole business plan i have allocated the day i move forward with one.

to say the least it will by far blow away any course out there for course lay out amenities, and services.
And a supermoto course with a kickass dirt section too.

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that barley touches the scope of my ideas for such a location.



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wow... Rob hitched up his trailer rite away. He's like a hawk, circling around above.

I'm so bored rite now. This weather sucks and all my bike projects are either done or on hold because of money. No hockey tonight so I'm sitting at home bashing my eggs on the computer. LOL!!!

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that barley touches the scope of my ideas for such a location.
When you need legal counsel for the business plan, give me a ring.

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When you need legal counsel for the business plan, give me a ring.
on the legal part, dude i know i an gonna need a TEAM of 1000 per hour lawyers pounding away at this and investors out the ass.

but the plan is sitting on my desk as it has for the last 4 years slowly adding what i see a lack there of, and fanominal ideas!

what i have in my head and paper has never been done in the whole fucken world!



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