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Hey Wink, I know your one of your big points is to drop the far nipple to the opposite side of the tank, lowering/leading with your head/shoulder for best body position...so is your avatar in reference to that, or is that just a regular pic you like.

I just remember that you stressed that point most when coaching me at Putnam once, and your avatar reminds me of that everytime.
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So my avatar would be an extreme example of trying to get off the bike. I'll try to find an example of the target body position that you want to strive for.

As most folks know, I change my avatar ALL the time. This particular one was an example in T3 Carousel at Blackhawk that I mentioned I could go faster than someone who was grinding pegs with lean angle, and that I would BARELY lean the bike at all to pass him. Although my picture is extreme, the point was that I cold get off the bike farther and maintain a SIGNIFICANTLY larger contact patch that would allow me to carry far more corner speed.

In this example, note that my bike is almost vertical (large contact patch)

I'll check and see if I can get you a "classic" target body position shot for you to use as a better reference.

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So my avatar would be an extreme example of trying to get off the bike. I'll try to find an example of the target body position that you want to strive for.

As most folks know, I change my avatar ALL the time. This particular one was an example in T3 Carousel at Blackhawk that I mentioned I could go faster than someone who was grinding pegs with lean angle, and that I would BARELY lean the bike at all to pass him. Although my picture is extreme, the point was that I cold get off the bike farther and maintain a SIGNIFICANTLY larger contact patch that would allow me to carry far more corner speed.

In this example, note that my bike is almost vertical (large contact patch)

I'll check and see if I can get you a "classic" target body position shot for you to use as a better reference.
Is your memory going. Turn 6b. I took the photo. You were looking for lost change.

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Is your memory going. Turn 6b. I took the photo. You were looking for lost change.
I hope I'm right I get confused at times

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I hope I'm right I get confused at times

No, you're right, he was looking for lost change to buy diesel.

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No, you're right, he was looking for lost change to buy diesel.

Why in the world would he be looking to buy diesel?

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Why in the world would he be looking to buy diesel?
better gas mileage...i'm pretty sure he's tuned for a diesel map
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better gas mileage...i'm pretty sure he's tuned for a diesel map
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Are you the PolishPete from CCS forum?
Yes I am...that is of course unless you have some beef for some reason with that guy (which I don't see why, I hear he's a really nice guy), which in that case I'm not. So you tell me...am I that PolishPete?!?!

Haha...j/k. Yeah, that's me.


Wink, I thought that pic was an exageration, and assumed you were trying to make a point to someone by doing that. I had time at work so figured I'd post and ask. That is all.

P.S. Did you pass that person in the corner??
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Figured it was you just amazed at how many people I see around the web.

Looks like wink is trying to watch his front tire and make sure he gets all the chicken strips off.

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So Wink's pic isn't a demonstration of how to really look ~thru~ a turn?
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How to look through through the turn: Eyes Up, look for the next traget, whether it be Entrance, Apex or Exit.

Proper body position: Yes, the current avatar has extreme body position. However, just like there is no penalty for going to sloly in a corner, there is no penalty for having extreme body position. Howerver, go in too fast in a corner, big penalty. Have NO weight on the inside of the turn, and you get the same big penalty. SO... although I don;t advocate that extreme a position, it does get the point across. That said, riders like Chris Frye (who go way faster than me) look almost identical to my avatar mid corner.

Did I pass that person? Like they were parked and they had no more lean angle available, therefor had no more speed to be had. Clearly, I had a lot of lean angle remaining, great contact patch, and still could have gone far faster in that turn.

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Lean angle = RISK

Me at Road America on the carousel...I need to put some more lean angle in and as a result will pick up more speed. Thats the beauty of it guys and gals...when you have proper body position you can look at a picuture and realize that you have so much speed left!
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same turn, looks like same day..

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Lean angle = RISK

Me at Road America on the carousel...I need to put some more lean angle in and as a result will pick up more speed. Thats the beauty of it guys and gals...when you have proper body position you can look at a picuture and realize that you have so much speed left!
If Firecat was faster, this is what he would look like.


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If Firecat was faster, this is what he would look like.

Thats alot of lean angle for a guy running 2:58's..you need to get your body off the bike more son....

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This is Ron on the carousel...he isn't riding his bike though.

Notice the outstanding form and the speed he carries. Its no wonder he is leading all the expert classes..
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This is Ron on the carousel...he isn't riding his bike though.

Notice the outstanding form and the speed he carries.
Don't make me bust out my favorite picture!


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Now that is FUNNYYYY!!!!

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Don't make me bust out my favorite picture!

you had to go there....just couldn't resist could ya??

That pic will haunt me for the rest of my days....I HATE that pic

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Now that is FUNNYYYY!!!!
Move along now...nothing to see here

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When Ron and I were first riding together, I'd run video all the time and he did that to me EVERY time just to make me look slow on the video. You know... that friggin' ARE YOU COMING?! look... I HATE THAT!!!!

AHHHH..... the good old days. Now, there is no way in heck I could keep up with him.

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Here's an example of me trying to follow Wink's advice, also @ BHF carosel.



And I like this one as an example of two vastly different lean angles and bodies positions, but same speeds:


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Looking great Jeff! Looks like you need forward in the seat a little bit too. Ron and I use padding on the back of the tail to help keep us more forward in the saddle. Moving forward both provides a more centered position and better front end grip and control. (also reduces head shake)

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you had to go there....just couldn't resist could ya??

That pic will haunt me for the rest of my days....I HATE that pic


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I love it! Rep Sent!

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