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Drag strips, and tires

ive been wanting to go to byron test and tunes with my gsxr 600 to see what bouth me and my bike can do but the only thing im afraid of is runing and brand new dunlop qualifier on the back i spent 250 on the thing to by it and have it installed and already put about 3k-4k on the tires. its not so much the track id be afraid of runing the tires but the burnout. never done a burnout on my bike so i dont know how fast the treads gonna burn down. cant really afford a new set. any input would be greatly appreciated

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If all you are doing is time runs or "Bracket"/ "Grudge" racing, you really don't need to do a burnout, they are not mandatory. However...a quick spin of the tire on the burnout pad will clean off any debris and make the tire grip a tad better. A Dunlop should hold up to that without excessive wear. If your tire is treaded ( street tire, which it is) DO NOT go through the water box! go around it as you move up to stage. Water will get in the sipes of the tread and it will actually make it slippery at the line.

Also...I have a personal rule to never take the track with a car...The only thing between you and that car is a yellow line...if he loses it for any reason...a blown tire, a broken tie rod, loss of control...and crosses into your lane... you get what I'm driving at, I'm sure. Back in the day when I was Drag Racing seriously I lobbied the NHRA and a few tracks to make that a rule...that Bikes and Cars could not stage together unless it was a pre-arranged grudge race.

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+1. There will be enough VHT on the line... just work on a smooth launch.

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thanks for all the quick responses ive never draged on a bike and i know theres upcoming T&T so i wanted to give it a shot

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Agreed. Doing a huge burnout just heats up the tires surface, and doesn't really heat the carcass of the tire. The tire isn't designed for that type of use. Skip the burn out and stay away from the water! Go around the water box.

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I was just out at union grove on my 9 and had the same exact tire I ran about 6 times did burnouts like 3 of the passes and 3 with out I am not talking about hero john force burnouts but I got it smoking pretty good and didNt loose to much thread it really wasnt even noticeable but when I didNt do em the bike hooked up just fine I just did them on money races to be exxxtra sure ya know and I second the water box LOL u woulda found that out on your own pretty quick tho
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just run it, the track will be sticky enough you will not spin.

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thanks for all the input im remember them. im thinkin on hittin byron dragway aug 24th for the next t&t

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skip the burn out and bring a tire pressure gauge. if you feel your spinning drop the pressure some.

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You will be fine I rode a 2000 CBR929 to byron,made about 8 passes and did no burnout or set pres. The bike would wheelie if I wasnt controlling throttle so there is a ton of grip. Funny storey I raced cars for years and had the CBR the same time and the bike was more fun even though it was slower. I went to US41 one time while the Bears were getting there butt kicked it was around 2:00 on Sun when I arrived I made 13 passes in 1 hour. I was literally lapping with the bike. It was a ton of fun. I rode home. No breakage,pump gas its hard to beat a bike.
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You will be fine I rode a 2000 CBR929 to byron,made about 8 passes and did no burnout or set pres. The bike would wheelie if I wasnt controlling throttle so there is a ton of grip. Funny storey I raced cars for years and had the CBR the same time and the bike was more fun even though it was slower. I went to US41 one time while the Bears were getting there butt kicked it was around 2:00 on Sun when I arrived I made 13 passes in 1 hour. I was literally lapping with the bike. It was a ton of fun. I rode home. No breakage,pump gas its hard to beat a bike.
i know thats crazy isnt it? my car without even using the nitrous is faster than my R1 and in the car it feels like youre CRAWLING, while the bike feels like a rocketship even though its slower



on the burnout. just make sure when the tire is spinning to lean the bike to each side of the tire if youre concerned about wearing out the middle.

i used to subscribe to the same theory of no burnout. till that one time when i shifted into second and usually the wheel comes up but this time it spun bad and got sideways. and it was on a dunlop qualifier. that tire is hard as a rock with no heat in it. i also saw my buddy almost crash one time when he shifted 2nd (on a 600) and same thing happened and he got REAL out of shape. so while 99% of the time im sure its fine with no burnout, i will never make a pass again without doing at least a short one. a lot depends where you are on the track and the weather conditions (at night with a lot of humidity = slick sometimes).

im sure you will be fine making passes at byron with no burnout. im just telling my experiences. good luck!!

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ive been wanting to go to byron test and tunes with my gsxr 600 to see what bouth me and my bike can do but the only thing im afraid of is runing and brand new dunlop qualifier on the back i spent 250 on the thing to by it and have it installed and already put about 3k-4k on the tires. its not so much the track id be afraid of runing the tires but the burnout. never done a burnout on my bike so i dont know how fast the treads gonna burn down. cant really afford a new set. any input would be greatly appreciated
if you choose to do a burnout. roll around the water. back it in. dont back it into a puddle. hold the front brake. i usually do a little spin in the water to get the tire wet. pull the clutch in. move foward to the edge of the water. put it in 2nd gear and then hold the brake and do a real burnout. i usually rev it up a bit and dump the clutch. dont go crazy with the revs. if i had to guess id say i hold it at about 6k rpms while the tire is spinning. never did a burnout on a 600 so idk. angling the bike side to side so its not concentrated on the middle. then let go of the brake and i usually hold the clutch kind of half in so that when it catches on the dry spot it doesnt jerk the bike foward. its not really that hard. you should figure it out. im by far very experienced and i think its pretty easy to do.

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if you choose to do a burnout. roll around the water. back it in. dont back it into a puddle. hold the front brake. i usually do a little spin in the water to get the tire wet. pull the clutch in. move foward to the edge of the water. put it in 2nd gear and then hold the brake and do a real burnout. i usually rev it up a bit and dump the clutch. dont go crazy with the revs. if i had to guess id say i hold it at about 6k rpms while the tire is spinning. never did a burnout on a 600 so idk. angling the bike side to side so its not concentrated on the middle. then let go of the brake and i usually hold the clutch kind of half in so that when it catches on the dry spot it doesnt jerk the bike foward. its not really that hard. you should figure it out. im by far very experienced and i think its pretty easy to do.
Last time i went i backed up threw the damp part but not into the puddle. than would roll a bit back forward and do a burnout in first. But i would increase the rpms while slipping the clutch a bit and do a burnout and roll outta it a bit. this was on some PP's and they didnt wear to much and i never broke traction with over 35psi in the rear. Instead i wheelied on every launch and had shit 60ft times.

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Burnouts on a stock length bike are pretty much useless, especially if your riding a 600. I have a stretched busa and barely need to do a burnout. If your going to go to Byron. Try to make the weekend of the 23rd and 24th. Its 2wheelspeed's bike event. Any questions/ concerns or problems just ask around. Pretty much everybody there will help you out. You have to start somewhere and just about all of us that drag race started out on a stock 600 or 1000. The biggest problem you may have at the track is finding a way to get to the 60ft mark as fast as possible without pointing the front tire at the clouds. I ran my R6 there without burnouts, and my buddy run's his GSXR1000 with out em. There is enough VHT on the track to where its really hard to walk on it without losing your shoes.
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i was actually planing on heading out the 24th of this month i get off work at 9:30 am and was planing on heading out there afterwords. just gotta call and see what time it all starts how much and there gear requirements. ima do that tommrow thanks again for all the imput everyone

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hey do me a favor and post what their gear requirements are this year

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not sure how fast a dunlop qualifier would wear out from burnouts, but check my avatar pic, i did a bunch of burnouts like that(30-45 seconds) and its hardly noticeable that the tire was worn down.

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I heard the grove bumped up to leather pants if your clearing 120 at the traps

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I heard the grove bumped up to leather pants if your clearing 120 at the traps
grove has always been like that. 3 years ago my buddy went like 123mph on his 600 and they wouldnt let him run anymore without leathers. from what i hear now (since they went nhra) that they are tired of people saying their bike is slow in tech and then blasting off 140mph+ runs with no leathers so they said ALL bike riders must have leathers. idk if theres any truth to that but thats what i heard.

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is the grove the same as byron or are they 2 seperat strips i tried calling but it rang for like 2-3 minutes and gave up

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is the grove the same as byron or are they 2 seperat strips i tried calling but it rang for like 2-3 minutes and gave up
completely different

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i actually just got off the phone with byron dragway there words were for a motorcycle there requriements were. Shoes that cover the ankle, Pants, Leather Jacket, gloves and helmet. incase yall were wondering.

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Common sense would dictate that a body would gear up as much as possible. I mean, hittin' it at 119 mph vs 120... Leather FTW!

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Common sense would dictate that a body would gear up as much as possible. I mean, hittin' it at 119 mph vs 120... Leather FTW!
For sure, but some of us dont own that stuff. Thanks streetracin for the info

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Common sense would dictate that a body would gear up as much as possible. I mean, hittin' it at 119 mph vs 120... Leather FTW!
i have to agree. while we've all done it...i will never make a pass without leathers again. just last friday i drag raced and i forgot to tighten the bolt to my front strap. it fell off on the return road. can you imagine how bad that would have been at 140+?

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If you're new to Drag racing, or any racing for that matter...go spectate. What's cool about drag racing, unlike some other forms of racing, is that spectators have full access to the pits. Walk around and ask questions...This Thursday (Aug. 14) is Bike night at Great Lakes Dragaway in Union Grove Wisconsin, about an hour from Chicago... Go,watch, ask questions, learn.

When I stopped flat tracking I really needed an outlet for my desire to race. Drag racing really helped...It's something you can do well into old age...some of the biggest names in motorcycle Drag Racing have been still around racing competitively in their late '60's and early '70's. I haven't done it in quite awhile, been busy with other outlets like vintage mx and enduros and the vintage scene, but a week doesn't go by when the thought of having a late '80's UJM four set up for the strip just to run brackets on off weekends doesn't cross my mind.
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