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anyone use this suit?

does anyone use this suit? good or bad? I plan on getting a separate back protector to use with it and what knee sliders should I get? I'm considering it for a first suit for beginner track days.
sorry I cant post links yet.Anyways its a teknic chicane 299 at motorcyclecloseouts.com
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I haven't used this suit, but Teknic's are generally a good suit. From the description, it sounds like a good buy if it's in your size. Last year when I started doing track days I also picked up a closeout suit (Frank Thomas xti). It's served me well and held up when I needed it to.

EDIT: See posts below for opinions from more learned guys.


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Honestly, the Chicane suit is crap. Weak seams, one time crash construction. Best to buy a high quality used suit from somebody getting out of the hobby. You will get a lot more for your money.

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the chicane is a one and done suit, look around for something else. the teknic violator is pretty good
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Most of the new suits in the $300-400 range are One Crash and throw them away type of suits. There are exceptions, but they are rare. You need double seams, good leather, and solid construction.

This is NOT the place to scrimp. Either buck up, get a good suit, or watch carefully for used suits on the market that are in good condition. What size do you wear?

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www.newenough.com has Alpinestar suits for like $399 or 499 I forget.


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thanks for the advice. It's not what I wanted to hear but I guess you get what you pay for.I went to a store and tried on a couple of alpinestars and I think I need a size 50 which they didn't have, the 48 fit but without the back and chest gear. I didn't really notice any difference in the $600-900 suits until the $1400 mark where they seemed much heftier. I'm not ignoring your advice but with other up front expenses like tires, boots, and other gear I'm gonna try this cheapo out and upgrade later if finances permit. I just want to get out there see if its for me before dumping 1500 on one item. I appreciate all your input and I'm going to try to get geared up and get out there at least a few times this season to check it out. Lots more questions coming too.
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The difference would be not in the quality of the material, but in construction, and that's less obvious to an untrained eye. You should look at the stiching - double or not, hidden or not, quality of the construction, location of stretch panels and other things, even if the difference is not obvious to you, it's there, and if you go down on a track, even mild lowside (very possible) the difference will cost you at least $300 in new suit, because it came apart, vs continuing wearing same suit despite some scuff marks
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Leathers - 1 or 2 piece leathers acceptable, however two-piece leathers must have a 360 degree zipper around the waist. I STRONGLY recommend a one-piece suit. Should the zipper fail, you will lose a significant amount of skin, which will be lost to the asphalt. Cheap leathers start at $300, quality leathers usually start around $700 and go up to $2000. Anything above $1200 and you’re just paying for bling.

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thanks for the advice. It's not what I wanted to hear but I guess you get what you pay for.I went to a store and tried on a couple of alpinestars and I think I need a size 50 which they didn't have, the 48 fit but without the back and chest gear. I didn't really notice any difference in the $600-900 suits until the $1400 mark where they seemed much heftier. I'm not ignoring your advice but with other up front expenses like tires, boots, and other gear I'm gonna try this cheapo out and upgrade later if finances permit. I just want to get out there see if its for me before dumping 1500 on one item. I appreciate all your input and I'm going to try to get geared up and get out there at least a few times this season to check it out. Lots more questions coming too.
If you go down and your suit comes apart a few hundred dollars saved wont matter much...

I had a Teknic Speedstar come partially apart on a highside at Autobahn.. I only ended up getting road rashed above the boot..
The fabric stretch panels were tore to shreds.. Mind you that was in a +/- 1k high end suit.. a 300$ suit would most likely have been tattered.. in my opinion the Teknic stuff is lower end budget stuff.. and I would have definately ponied up 300$ more not to have to go through "the brush"

to each their own.. but realize you came asking for advice.. and the one who was most in the know on here said "i wouldn't go for it" and you respectfully said "your gonna try the cheapo out" as you have other costs...

I have crashed Dainese, and Vanson equipment.. both times they had so little damage people would ask "what's that right there?" about the scrape...

You can find good deals if you keep an eye out.. Just try not to cost yourself 10 or 20 or 100k down the road trying to save a few hundred bucks now.. It just doesn't make sense... and speaking as someone who has spent years on crutches I can also tell you there are other "costs" that are as bad if not worse than money
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I had a custom suit made to my measurements and design. It cost me under $500. Has double stitching and is very well built. The guy that owns the place is constantly improving
the construction based on feed back from suit owners.
For me it was a matter of finding something that fit. I'm tall and very thin so nothing I could find off the rack fit even close to right.

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I had a custom suit made to my measurements and design. It cost me under $500. Has double stitching and is very well built. The guy that owns the place is constantly improving
the construction based on feed back from suit owners.
For me it was a matter of finding something that fit. I'm tall and very thin so nothing I could find off the rack fit even close to right.
So, where did you get this great suit made? Give the guy some props, and the rest of us hard to fit guys might give him some business.

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So, where did you get this great suit made? Give the guy some props, and the rest of us hard to fit guys might give him some business.

He doesnt want the guy to receive more business because his prices will rise.


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Whoops, forgot the link.
http://www.tiltcustoms.com/


Here is the thread I started after it arrived. I used it for 4 track days this year and love it.
https://www.chicagolandsportbikes.com...ad.php?t=72899

There is also a link in that thread to reviews of his suits.

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for 300 bucks i would go with this
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Komod...spagenameZWDVW

my experience shows that komodo runs about a 1/2 size larger than alpinestars and they are very well constructed. I have a Meso and love it, If i find someone getting out of racing who is selling one in my size I will be all over it. This looks like the Ceno suit which is their entry level suit, but this will be much better than a chicane.
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I just signed a sponsorship agreement with Spartan Leathers. These leathers are custom made and priced at only $475.

And as if that is not cheap enough, as part of the sponsorship agreement I can get CLSB members an extra 5% discount. PM me if you are interested.


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well now you guys got me all f'd up. I'm going to try to cancel my order and keep looking. I'm leaning more towards a Italian or American suit but I thought vanson leathers were more geared for drag racing. Anybody have the arlen ness? hows the fitment for these or dianese, or spidi etc. Is there any local shops that have a large variety to check out?
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I just signed a sponsorship agreement with Spartan Leathers. These leathers are custom made and priced at only $475.

And as if that is not cheap enough, as part of the sponsorship agreement I can get CLSB members an extra 5% discount. PM me if you are interested.


Dave from Spartan is another good guy. He is very active on SVRider.com and actually got the idea to start his own when Daniel from Tilt Customs started posting on SVRider. Spartan wasn't up and running soon enough for me to order from him, but his stuff has gotten pretty go reviews.

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oh the tilt and spartan do look interestng
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well now you guys got me all f'd up. I'm going to try to cancel my order and keep looking. I'm leaning more towards a Italian or American suit but I thought vanson leathers were more geared for drag racing. Anybody have the arlen ness? hows the fitment for these or dianese, or spidi etc. Is there any local shops that have a large variety to check out?
Vanson makes some great stuff.. but their prices are reflected...
Top of the line and made in America are going to cost you..

I hate to make things any more expensive or difficult than they have to be.. but from the looks of it (in your avatar) you have a little one.. and one thing you dont want to skimp on in this hobby is safety
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i see lots of the celtic suits from STG at the trackdays...the spartan leathers look pretty damn good for the price. i personally found a suit on ebay that retailed for $1,400 and picked it up for less than half that price. so keep looking till you find a good deal. you still have plenty of time.
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does anyone use this suit? good or bad? I plan on getting a separate back protector to use with it and what knee sliders should I get? I'm considering it for a first suit for beginner track days.
sorry I cant post links yet.Anyways its a teknic chicane 299 at motorcyclecloseouts.com
I have that suit. I has done me well and has been crash tested by myself three or fours times. It got retired last year as it was getting old.

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i see lots of the celtic suits from STG at the trackdays....
The Celtic suit is an awesome deal. We have sold over 1000 of them.

The reason that the price is so good is because that is our exclusive design and we have them made specificaly for us with KNOX armor. You are not paying a distributor mark up and we sponsor noone so you don't get stuck paying part os XYZ's freebies. We beleive that 1000 guys riding our suits speaks volumes. BTW, two RoadRacing World staffers ride our Celtic suits and they paid retail for them.

I myself wear full custom (I'm built like a T-Rex...!) and have suits by Z Custom and also full kangaroo suits made by GiaMoto (they do a lot of Moto GP stuff). The Roo suit is awsome, light as a feather and looks awsome (it's Italian so duh.....) BUT it is a one or two crash suit. I bought it knowing that and accept it. I'm not a crasher so I'm cool with that.

Bonnie and I have owned several (like 10) Z-custom suits over the last 12 years and they are bulletproof, shit make that bombproof. I can wear just about any suit I want for free and the fact is I gladly pay full retail for my custom Z suits, they are that good and Z's service is outstanding.

I like having two or three suits because it gives them the opportunity to dry and gives me a spare. I ride 60+ days a season and sweat alot in these puppies.

DON'T skimp on some unknown suit. There are some custom suits out there that "look" good. Wait until a few (like 20 or 30) hit the pavement and then see how good they are. Figuring out you own a POS in the EMS rig is a experience to be avoided and skin grafts suck. As an former downhill skateboarder I know.....

Remember.. ANY suit that does not fit properly will not offer proper protection. Most guys are riding around in suits that are too large and can catch and tear. If your suit feels good walking around it the pits, it does not fit you properly. Remember also sweat (actually the salts in it) are your leathers enemy. Send your leathers to Alexa or Bill annually for a washing and conditioning.

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the celtic was one of the first I looked at but I don't see a size 50 us. I tried on a a* sp1 at the store and size 48 fit well without a back protector. They didn't have size 50 in stock. I also tried a dainese size 50 that felt the same in the chest/gut but loose in the legs. Someone has these arlen ness roo on sale but they also seem to cut off at 48 they seem nice for under a grand. I guess I'll have to keep my eyes open for deals.
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the celtic was one of the first I looked at but I don't see a size 50 us. I tried on a a* sp1 at the store and size 48 fit well without a back protector. They didn't have size 50 in stock. I also tried a dainese size 50 that felt the same in the chest/gut but loose in the legs. Someone has these arlen ness roo on sale but they also seem to cut off at 48 they seem nice for under a grand. I guess I'll have to keep my eyes open for deals.
Call the guys at STG..

We underestimated size 50 demand.. sorry.

Although I personally like Kangaroo I am in a different situation than you... I would not own one as my only suit, make sense? Flat out, they will not offer you the length of service if you fall (one or two crash suits) and they are harder to fix (ask Alexa aka Leather Goddess) Cowhide (and top-grain only!!!) are the best and most durable. As with anythng the Devil is in the details such as stitching, seam construction and zipper choices. These are all areas where makers cut cost via parts (quality zippers are $$$) and labor (to roll and stitch seams).

Call 888-STG-GEAR and talk to a product specialists... every guy there RIDES ON THE TRACK and uses what they sell so they can answer fit questions. We also have some great videos to educate you.

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for 300 bucks i would go with this
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Komod...spagenameZWDVW

my experience shows that komodo runs about a 1/2 size larger than alpinestars and they are very well constructed. I have a Meso and love it, If i find someone getting out of racing who is selling one in my size I will be all over it. This looks like the Ceno suit which is their entry level suit, but this will be much better than a chicane.
I have crash tested my Komodo ceno suit and it held up extremely well. It was in the very fast Turn 5 at Putnam. To top it off I was pinned under the bike as it slid across the width of the track. The leather, armor and seam stitches held together no problem. I walked away without a scratch except for a bruise where the frame slider landed on my inner thigh. I still wear it knowing that I'm protected if it happens again. The Ceno model has been discontinued due to the newer KX-P model but they can still be found at lowered prices around the internet. I think safety first has a few that they're trying to unload.

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