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give me your recommendations on a DSLR or what not

well i am wrapping the camera back up and going to return it.

i have seen the limitations of this camera, and well i am not happy with what it can do.

looks like i need to join the DSLR family.

SO what i pose to you none professional/new hobbyist in this hobby from what you know. is what would would you spend 2000.00-2500.00 on?

find me the best in that PRICE range.

mid range lens and camera body.

open to all suggestions.

wanna stay in the Nikon or Cannon family line since it seems they are the top dogs right now.



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You probably already know waht I'm going to say. IMO the best bang-for-buck out there is the D40. The Rebel XTi is just a little bit more, but is very comparable.

I went round-and-round for a month or two boucning between the Nikon D40, D50, D70, D80 and Canon EOS XT, XTi, 30D before finally pulling the trigger on the D40.

What I learned was that (1) as long as you go Canon or Nikon you'll have excellent suport for info and gear, (2) they are all awesome cameras so it's basically how much you want to spend, and (3) you have to test-drive the bodies. On paper I was going to get the XTi but I LOVED the feel of the D40 and the controls are top notch. Consider that the most important aspect of the body is 'taking pictures' and realize that without fast, intuiative controls you'll be fumbling will missing a potential photo-op.

I also think that for the hobbiest the Nikon is the slighty better choice while Canon is better for the more serious person willing to drop big coin on L-glass.

What I would/have/will do for that range is:

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D40 w/ kit lens (18-55mm) <$600


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18-200 VR lens $750
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You probably already know waht I'm going to say. IMO the best bang-for-buck out there is the D40. The Rebel XTi is just a little bit more, but is very comparable.

I went round-and-round for a month or two boucning between the Nikon D40, D50, D70, D80 and Canon EOS XT, XTi, 30D before finally pulling the trigger on the D40.

What I learned was that (1) as long as you go Canon or Nikon you'll have excellent suport for info and gear, (2) they are all awesome cameras so it's basically how much you want to spend, and (3) you have to test-drive the bodies. On paper I was going to get the XTi but I LOVED the feel of the D40 and the controls are top notch. Consider that the most important aspect of the body is 'taking pictures' and realize that without fast, intuiative controls you'll be fumbling will missing a potential photo-op.

I also think that for the hobbiest the Nikon is the slighty better choice while Canon is better for the more serious person willing to drop big coin on L-glass.

What I would/have/will do for that range is:

Camera Body:
D40 w/ kit lens (18-55mm) <$600


Lens:
18-200 VR lens $750
Get on the list, they are on 3 month backorder and it's probably the only lens you'll need or want until you get into wide angle or need longer reach (300mm+ for the track days)

- 2G Ultra II or Extreme III SD Card
- Good bag/backpack/shoulder bag
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i played with the D80 today as i returned that camera. i liked the layout of the features.

i think nick is not gonna like his D40X "if thats the newer model" you have the access the menu screen to go through the setting instead of on the top window on the fly adjust.

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L-glass?
the term for Canons, professional shit. If you want top of the line, it's what you buy.

Mikon and canon both build great rigs. Like I told you before, if your going to be asking me for help buy a canon, if your going to be asking bill for help, buy a Nikon.
The D40 is the best "deal" going out there right now. I like Caonons personally as there is an endless supply of lens choices available in every price range, and theres no waiting lists.

If you want canon, look at either the 30D or the XTI like mine. Best buy had a 30D in thier sale add yesterday, with a lens but I dont remember which one.

as far as Canon lenses, For zoom I have a 70-300 with Image Stabilization that was about 500 bucks through amazon.com. Everytime I use it is when my photos get compliments.

I also have the standard kit lens which rarely ever comes out anymore.

Another is my 17-55 with Image stabilization from amazon, that was another $500.00

then I have a 50mm Prime lens (no zoom range) that was believe it or not, only 79 bucks through amazon but takes awesome portrait type shots.

then your going to want to invest in filters for all of it. Circular polarizers and UV filters, plus any specialties filters you may feel the need for.




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You probably already know waht I'm going to say. IMO the best bang-for-buck out there is the D40. The Rebel XTi is just a little bit more, but is very comparable.

I went round-and-round for a month or two boucning between the Nikon D40, D50, D70, D80 and Canon EOS XT, XTi, 30D before finally pulling the trigger on the D40.

What I learned was that (1) as long as you go Canon or Nikon you'll have excellent suport for info and gear, (2) they are all awesome cameras so it's basically how much you want to spend, and (3) you have to test-drive the bodies. On paper I was going to get the XTi but I LOVED the feel of the D40 and the controls are top notch. Consider that the most important aspect of the body is 'taking pictures' and realize that without fast, intuiative controls you'll be fumbling will missing a potential photo-op.

I also think that for the hobbiest the Nikon is the slighty better choice while Canon is better for the more serious person willing to drop big coin on L-glass.

What I would/have/will do for that range is:

Camera Body:
D40 w/ kit lens (18-55mm) <$600


Lens:
18-200 VR lens $750
Get on the list, they are on 3 month backorder and it's probably the only lens you'll need or want until you get into wide angle or need longer reach (300mm+ for the track days)

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+1 on everything said above however I would also consider the D80 as someone else stated. The D40 and Rebel xTI feel uncomfortably small in my hands. When I went out for the day with the Rebel that I borrowed from a friend, it was not as nice to hold for extended periods of time like the D80 is which is much bigger.

Go hold a D40 and then hold a D80 and ask the store to put on a bigger lens so that you can see how they feel when they are weighted forward more. One thing I didn't like about the Rebel was that there is only one screen. I really like having my menu/preview picture screen and having the settings screen on top near the trigger. Overall you can't go wrong with picking any of the cameras, it's pure personal preference there. Worry more about which lens to get once you have the camera.
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ahhhhh good info tony.
Also if you end up just buying a body and no lens as you want to buy a good lens, you can borrow my kit lens till you get what you want, but of course thats only if you go Canon.




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ill play it by ear on which brand to learn towards when i have a good sit down with bill too.

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Oh ya, the canon versus Nikon debate can be worse than the Amsoil v Mobil1 v Rotella debate. My suggestion would be pretend you have both, and start shopping for lenses, then choose which camera is going to work with the lenses you want.

check the reviews section on Fredmiranda.com look at the canon lens review section as well as the Nikon section. Some of your best info is right there. This will help you make your decision. either camera can do what you want, but your glass is where you are going to spend your money and expand. I've spent more on glass then I have my camera and thats very normal.




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And to note, that no matter what camera you get, there's nothing wrong with the super zooms/SLR-Like cameras like the one you had. I probably have dozen or so framed shots which I took with my old Panasonic FZ-30...one of them a nice beach shot that's printed 24x36 and framed over my fireplace.

I think you had the right idea in getting an SLR-like camera for starters. Master the shots, and then move on. You might be more frustrated since you are taking closeups which are not the specialty for that camera.

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And to note, that no matter what camera you get, there's nothing wrong with the super zooms/SLR-Like cameras like the one you had. I probably have dozen or so framed shots which I took with my old Panasonic FZ-30...one of them a nice beach shot that's printed 24x36 and framed over my fireplace.

I think you had the right idea in getting an SLR-like camera for starters. Master the shots, and then move on. You might be more frustrated since you are taking closeups which are not the specialty for that camera.
thats why i bought it from best buy with there 30 day return.

crash coursed the last few weeks of reading and camera usage and photshop learning.

returned it all! and got my money back.

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crash coursed the last few weeks of reading and camera usage and photshop learning.

returned it all! and got my money back.

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I guess. My timescale was more like a couple years before I got rid of the FZ30
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I guess. My timescale was more like a couple years before I got rid of the FZ30
Ya but you take breaks for things like work, sleep, food etc. Ken has not showered in a week and has done nothing but take pictures and read shit

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Ya but you take breaks for things like work, sleep, food etc. Ken has not showered in a week and has done nothing but take pictures and read shit

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all true except the showing part. IF i was single! i probably wouldn't have showered.

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all true except the showing part. IF i was single! i probably wouldn't have showered.

BUT since i have access to 24hour wife booty, i shower at least once a day
Ok, in that case, go and buy the D80 today. Get 5 different lenses of your choice, the extended warranty, SB-800 flash, battery/grip extender, and some Manfrotto tripods/monopods, UV and CP filters (one of each for each lens).

Then next week get the D200 and upgrade all your equipment
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Ok, in that case, go and buy the D80 today. Get 5 different lenses of your choice, the extended warranty, SB-800 flash, battery/grip extender, and some Manfrotto tripods/monopods, UV and CP filters (one of each for each lens).

Then next week get the D200 and upgrade all your equipment
This is Ken we are talking about. do you honestly think this scenario wont happen?




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i have a feeling it will take me longer to master the art of a good photographer then it will to learn how the functions work and correlate between each other and alter them for the desired finished product.

but i already picked up a manfrotto mono pod.

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One common complaint I see from people the is the ergonomics of the common bodies. The Rebel is notorius for having a cramped right-hand grip, while the D80 is MUCH larger than the D40.

I personally like the D40 as it's comfortable, small, and light.

If the camera is to annoying to carry around then it doesn't matter how awesome the pictures might be.

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One common complaint I see from people the is the ergonomics of the common bodies. The Rebel is notorius for having a cramped right-hand grip, while the D80 is MUCH larger than the D40.

I personally like the D40 as it's comfortable, small, and light.

If the camera is to annoying to carry around then it doesn't matter how awesome the pictures might be.
on the flipside of that, I don't want a camera to be any bigger than it has to be, as it's more of a pain in the ass to carry around. this is why I dont put the extended battery grip on mine.




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Here is a list of things for you to spend money on Ken.

Start here:

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http://www.thepierceco.com/tripods/320205.htm

http://www.nikonusa.com/template.php...roductNr=2139#

http://www.nikonusa.com/template.php...productNr=2151

This should keep you busy for a little while.


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Sportbike: 2010 Electra Glide Police Edition 103cu
Years Riding: a long time!
           
well let me tell you since most of the body sizes and grips are a personal issue.

i need something BIG in my right hand. its very use to grabbing onto large things, lets just say



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