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I've always some what been into photography, but have never had a "nice" camera to take pictures with. I've always had the point and shoot type digital cameras. This past weekend, I went to my parents house and played with my dad's Nikon D80 and fell in love. I really want a DSLR camera and now that I'm out of college, I can actually afford one.

I don't need a top of the line professional camera, but at the same time, I don't want something that will need to be upgraded shortly, so a middle of the road would be great.

I've been looking at the Canon 400D Rebel XTi:
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I know Nikons are great cameras, but they are more expensive. I don't think I'd need the extra features of one, but I also don't want to miss out, if that makes sense.

My budget I'd say is under a grand for everything.
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First off, when you invest into Nikon or Canon, your investing into a whole system.

With digital these days, everything gets outdated fairly quickly... with anything and everything...

As far as megapixels go, anything over 5 or 6mp is plenty to produce a good 8X10 print and you can go bigger with a lil photoshop... There are some good D50's out there that are used. That was my first DSLR, and has lots of options.

Right now I'd recommend along with buying a camera is buying this book called Understanding Exposure by Bryan Peterson. Great reference for people who already know something, and a great intro book for people who are willing to learn and understand an D/SLR camera and how the triangle of photography really works.

also check out dpreview.com - Not my favorite

and photo.net - a little less garbage

if you read up on kenrockwell.com you gotta take his opinion with a grain of salt... he's heavily opinionated, though has some good points to make.
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We've just hashed through this disscussion a few times recentely, search this forum. I've posted a ton about my camera, so I'll keep this short.

If you are looking at the XTi but like the Nikon, look at the D40. I love mine.

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I have the XTI and love it. it's all about preference. You will find thousands of opinions, but it comes down to which one you are happier with. Even the pro's will argue the 2 to death. Trident here shoots Nikon and his shots are amazing. Gron4 takes track shots everyone drools over and he shoots canon. they both are fully capable of taking you where ever you want to go.




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I have the XTI and love it. it's all about preference. You will find thousands of opinions, but it comes down to which one you are happier with. Even the pro's will argue the 2 to death. Trident here shoots Nikon and his shots are amazing. Gron4 takes track shots everyone drools over and he shoots canon. they both are fully capable of taking you where ever you want to go.
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Tony prefers the xti and I can't use it...I like having a nice big camera to hold in my hand (D80) as well has having a window on top of the camera which shows my settings rather than using the main LCD for both. It's safe to say that until you reach some super photography level, your shots will look the same on both. Go to the store, play with both...walk around with one and then the other in your hands, look through the viewfinder, and decide after that. Forget about what the shots will look like.
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Tony prefers the xti and I can't use it...I like having a nice big camera to hold in my hand (D80) as well has having a window on top of the camera which shows my settings rather than using the main LCD for both. It's safe to say that until you reach some super photography level, your shots will look the same on both. Go to the store, play with both...walk around with one and then the other in your hands, look through the viewfinder, and decide after that. Forget about what the shots will look like.
You should try my canon now that I have the extended battery grip installed. you would love the feel now. plus I am running dual batteries with it




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Yo, biggy, I got the MB(Multi-battery grip) for da D80... I'm bringing the whole bag down this weekend...
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Yo, biggy, I got the MB(Multi-battery grip) for da D80... I'm bringing the whole bag down this weekend...
Nice! Unfortunately there's only like one or two spots that are good to snap shots from at Putnam Gotta figure out what to leave at home...the 50mm lens or the SB600 flash.

It would be nice to charm our way out to one of the corner stations and get some shots from there, but somehow I doubt that might happen.
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I'm bringing film stuff too... the whole bag is a bit of stuff, but will be fun to play.
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Nice! Unfortunately there's only like one or two spots that are good to snap shots from at Putnam Gotta figure out what to leave at home...the 50mm lens or the SB600 flash.

It would be nice to charm our way out to one of the corner stations and get some shots from there, but somehow I doubt that might happen.
Putnam sucks for taking pictures!




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Thanks for the suggestions. I just need to go to a camera place and hold all of them to figure out which is best. I can already tell this is going to be a money pit
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I just need to go to a camera place and hold all of them to figure out which is best.
That's the best advice that no one mentioned yet. On paper I was going to buy the XTi. After I spent some hands-on time at Ritz camera and BB/CC stores, I loved the D40.

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That's the best advice that no one mentioned yet. On paper I was going to buy the XTi. After I spent some hands-on time at Ritz camera and BB/CC stores, I loved the D40.
Really? No one mentioned it? Hmmm....


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Lots of good info in this thread. Especially what Bobby said about buying into a system.

I tell people they are marrying into the lenses. Find Ergos that work for you, with lenses to do what you need, and jump into that system.

Unfortunately, right now it's a Canon or Nikon game though. Panasonic and Sony have some great hardware, but are floundering.

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Really? No one mentioned it? Hmmm....
oops, missed that. These dual thread are confusing, maybe a mod should merge, we are talking about the same stuff really.

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You proved him wrong, so I felt the need to put up an OWN3D pic.
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Where does everyone buy there camera stuff from? I found that fotoconnection site posted in my first post during a google search and I know amazon, but anywhere else?
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Where does everyone buy there camera stuff from? I found that fotoconnection site posted in my first post during a google search and I know amazon, but anywhere else?
BH Photo Video is where I order everything from.

Adorama when/if BH is out of stock.

I dunno about http://www.resellerratings.com/store/ePhotoClub your fotoconnection... I would stay away from those places that have "good deals" I've heard a lot can go wrong with them.

check resellerratings.com before you buy from anywhere for digital electronics, there are a lot of legit scams out there.
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I actually bought my camera at Best Buy but they don't allow you to use the 12-15% off coupons on DSLR cameras anymore. +1 on BH and Adorama.

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LOL. I love my D40 and will defend it's honor

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As will I... on gaurd!




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Ahh, it just shows some company logo to me.
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Weird. It worked before, and now changed to that logo. Instead of trying to fix it, I just deleted it. I failed
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LOL. I love my D40 and will defend it's honor

No problemo. Again, I was just trying to point out it's weaknesses for reference.

I'd still take it over a Canon.

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BH Photo Video is where I order everything from.

Adorama when/if BH is out of stock.

I dunno about http://www.resellerratings.com/store/ePhotoClub your fotoconnection... I would stay away from those places that have "good deals" I've heard a lot can go wrong with them.

check resellerratings.com before you buy from anywhere for digital electronics, there are a lot of legit scams out there.
BH if I'm buying new. www.KEH.com if I'm buying used.

I've purchased a buttload from Adorama, but I and some others have had issues with them.

Much like motorcycle dealerships, I wish I could support my local camera shops, but I don't care to be ripped off.

DO NOT, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES PURCHASE FROM SHOPS THAT HAVE DEALS THAT SOUND TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE.

There are many bait and switch shops based in Brooklyn or some such. Don't bother, they are a scam.

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I was wondering why the fotoconnection site was so cheap. I figured something was up with them, which is why I asked. Thanks.
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I was wondering why the fotoconnection site was so cheap. I figured something was up with them, which is why I asked. Thanks.
And just to head off the next question that usually follows.

Grey Market Vs USA cameras and lenses....

Grey Market means it's not made to be sold in the US, and has NO WARRANTY. Unless the shop you are buying it from has some sort of 3rd party or in house warranty to support grey market gear, don't let them tell you otherwise! Grey Market means NO WARRANTY (in the US - different warranty laws in Europe and Asia)

Nikon North America WILL NOT repair Grey Market gear. They are very strict on this as it undermines their distribution and warranty programs. They won't even repair Grey Market gear even if you offer to pay for it! This is not to say a 3rd party Nikon authorized repair shop won't do the work for you...just that Nikon North America will not.

Nikon USA Market Cameras have 1 year warranty, and the lenses have a 5 Year warranty assuming you remember to mail in the extended warranty card. Otherwise lenses are 1 year or 2 years...I forget.

Would I buy Grey Market?

Not if I can help it. Granted, some of the older design, more basic lenses like the 50mm and 35mm and 60mm Micro...no problem. Grey market, used, whatever I'd buy it. It's probably not going to "fail" since they are very simple designs with few moving parts. But an advanced digital camera body or AF-S lens with Vibration Reduction...you'd better have your full warranty and know you can get it repaired...there are just too many parts that can fail!

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