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New Stuff from Nikon!

Nikon is finally catching up to Canon in the "odd and cool" lens market. Canon hasn't updated some of their old cool lenses, and Nikon seems geared to completely revamp their more exotic lens lineup. This PMA note is pretty cool on the new Nikon 24mm Tilt Shift lens....and they mention other Tilt Shift lenses following!

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0801/08...ikkorpce24.asp


Pre-PMA 2008: Nikon today announced a new Nikkor unlike any before it and likely to prove an effective 'halo' product as well as an invaluable tool. The PC-E NIKKOR 24mm f/3.5D ED is a wide angle lens offering both tilt and shift movement. Also announced was the development of two further PC-E Nikkors in 45mm and 85mm focal lengths which shall be on show at PMA 2008.

A new budget Nikon the D60 along with a new AF-S VR lens the 16-85 AF-S VR

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0801/08...ikond601st.asp

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0801/08...kkor1685vr.asp

And another really cool one, since I use the old version of this lens, the Nikon Micro 60mm, now with AF-S and aspherical elements, plus nano-coating. Very cool upgrade!

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0801/08...kor60micro.asp

I'm still waiting for an update to the 50mm f/1.4 and the 85mm f/1.4, but with these more exotic lenses coming out, and an upgrade to the D40, I'll wait for Nikon to catch up to my wants/needs.

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WTF does the "N" stand for?

This is new to me, but that Macro lens is noice.
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This is new to me, but that Macro lens is noice.
That's the Nano-Coating. It's a coating on the front (And I think rear) elements that kill glare and improve the micro-contrast of the images. My 105mm VR Micro has it, and it's a noticable improvement over the previous version of the 105mm Micro. Though I have to admit the slow focusing and hunting of the new 105mm Micro drives me nucking futs.

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This new one is AF-S, which is the faster focusing system, correct?
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Good stuff. Then lense selection was one of the things that steered me to canon why I got into this market. Glad to se they are realizing that.




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This new one is AF-S, which is the faster focusing system, correct?
AF-S means the motor that actually drives the focus gears of the lens, is actually *in* the lens rather then relying on the focusing motor in the camera. So it's fast no matter what camera you snap it on to (e.g. you don't need a $5000 body for fast focusing).

With AF-S, the only limits to speed would be how fast your camera body can *think* about focus...which is pretty damn fast no matter what body you have.

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Good stuff. Then lense selection was one of the things that steered me to canon why I got into this market. Glad to se they are realizing that.
And what exotic Canon lenses have you picked up?

I'll give Canon one thing, they do stuff IS in just about every lens...which is why Nikon is doing these updates to the consumer linup. The "pro" and "prosumer" lineup typically have VR as a standard feature...though I'm pissed that the new 24-70 f/2.8 does NOT!

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Why is Nikon better than Canon or vice versa? the g/f has a Canon but can't clearly explain why she chose Canon over Nikon.
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It comes down to preference.

It's like arguing about an RR vs a Gixxer etc...
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That's what my g/f said, anything specific? By preference do you mean menus, controls, etc?
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That's what my g/f said, anything specific? By preference do you mean menus, controls, etc?
Yup. Like Tony said, the lens selection on Nikon's are less, but they have been coming out with new stuff to keep up.

Quality vs Quantity.
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Why is Nikon better than Canon or vice versa? the g/f has a Canon but can't clearly explain why she chose Canon over Nikon.

Honestly, they are both great...I just like giving Tony crap, especially now that he's a Mac Using, iphone owning, Ducati riding Canon user.

Whichever system you set your sites on, you have to remember you aren't married to the camera, you are married to the lenses and the "look" those lenses produce.

Canon is a HUGE company, with much more resources, bigger budget, and the common issues that come with a company that's too big. They are good to their Pro users, and have some great lenses...though they seem to make many more clunkers then winners. Canon has a specific *flat* look to it's contrast and colors. Look at any fashon magazine, and that flat look of the images is probably a canon. At a big sports event, you'll typically see the big white lenses of Canons more then Nikon. As I said, Canon is really good to their Pro users and makes sure they have the gear they need. Nikon, until recently was lagging behind in the big lens department.

Nikon is a *much* smaller company, has two, maybe three factories. They have had much better engineering since the first Nikon in the early 50's. Rarely do they make clunkers. R&D is slow because they are a smaller company with smaller budget. Distribution and roll out of product is painful because they just don't have that many factories. Most nature shooters, portrait shooters, and artist types use Nikon for the lifelike images and warm but natural colors.

Nikon has been lagging behind in lens updates, but has been spewing out consumer gear that's really damn good for a while now. Their recent lens updates in the past few years have been ground breaking...and some still lagging behind Canon. Nikons latest Pro level lenses and bodies are deadly good. Awesome ergonomics, featuresets, and smart user interface on all but maybe the flashes.

Canon spits out lens after lens after lens, often many clunkers, especially their consumer line. The painful menu systems and clumsy ergonomics are typical of Canon design. Their Pro lineup is fantastic, though you pay a premium over and above any other company for the pro gear. Painfully so.

I'm sure there's other stuff...I've forgotten more then I can remember since I've not had this Canon vs Nikon debate in a long time.

Personally, I can't stand the ergonomics and price premium of Canon (perfect for a Mac user), and I've used a Nikon since I was a wee lad. The Nikon I use today is ergonomically comfortable, and has a very similiar user interface then the early 60's vintage Nikon I started with when I was a kid. I can pick up any Nikon and *use* it right away because the design has been pretty much the same since the early days. Canon...not so much.

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nice one on Tony. Thanks for the info Eric, now I can explain to her the difference between the two!
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I forgot to add. Canon is famous for changing their lens mount which screws people who have older Canon lenses. They've done this several times in their history.

Nikon, I can pick up any lens from 1977 and newer and it works with both my current cameras. I can pick up any lens from 1962 to 1976 and with a modification to the mount they will work on my current cameras.

Canon can use early Nikon lenses with an adapter, but not vice versa. This is just a simple fact of physics. The Nikon lens mount on the camera body is narrower so Nikon lenses can pretty easily be adapted to many other camera systems, but because of Nikon's smaller opening, other lenses typically can not be made to work on Nikon bodies.

Nikon is also known for making some of the finest industrial and lab use lenses in the world. These highly sought after lenses are modified with a lens mount adapter and used on Nikon, Canon, and even more exotic camera bodies.

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Maybe a Canon user can chime in with some Canon stuff I'm not aware of. There are always details I'd miss since I'm not a Canon user.

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You mean like the fact that they kick ass!





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I only skimmed this, but I didn't see anywhere mentioning that Sony is making Nikon's digital sensors. As far as I know, this is still true.
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I only skimmed this, but I didn't see anywhere mentioning that Sony is making Nikon's digital sensors. As far as I know, this is still true.
Yeah, Nikon doesn't have their own facility for that. I'm not sure how that effects things much. Especially since even though Sony is making the sensors, Nikon is leading the design on it...Sony is just the shop making it...and using it in their own cameras. Not Nikon leaching off Sony tech, but the other way around.

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Yeah, Nikon doesn't have their own facility for that. I'm not sure how that effects things much. Especially since even though Sony is making the sensors, Nikon is leading the design on it...Sony is just the shop making it...and using it in their own cameras. Not Nikon leaching off Sony tech, but the other way around.
Gotcha, so it's more of a long term lease on their shop and machines and guys. I know how that goes. I wasn't aware of the specifics. Give Nikon some more credit in my eyes.
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Hmm yea I'd think they'd call it like D65 or something like that unless it's truly related to the D70 or D80. They need to name the cameras something else Then again D60 should signify it's better or more advanced than a D40 but not quite a D80.
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Hmm yea I'd think they'd call it like D65 or something like that unless it's truly related to the D70 or D80. They need to name the cameras something else Then again D60 should signify it's better or more advanced than a D40 but not quite a D80.
They are running out of numbers between 10 and 100, aren't they?

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They are running out of numbers between 10 and 100, aren't they?
Not only that, but what about after the D90? D100, D200...can't go there. They'll need to make some change there.
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Not only that, but what about after the D90? D100, D200...can't go there. They'll need to make some change there.
I think D90 is still available, D100 and D200 have been used.

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