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post #1 of 27 (permalink) Old 02-08-2008, 12:35 PM Thread Starter
 
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Can't wait to see some Nikon 16-85 samples!

This is looking like a yummy lens to trade my 18-70 in for. Never wanted to jump to the 18-200 since I have a 70-300 and this just might be the next new lens! VR too!

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At an asking price of $800, its a bit pricey for a consumer zoom if you ask me.

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Looks like a hell of a lens, 800 isnt bad for something that will get that much use.




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Where's the price listed at? Or are you converting off the UK price listed?
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Where's the price listed at? Or are you converting off the UK price listed?
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Kinda pricey for just 2mm more on the wide end. And VR on an 85mm zoom? Sort of overkill.

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Kinda pricey for just 2mm more on the wide end. And VR on an 85mm zoom? Sort of overkill.
I have VR on my small zoom, it's great in low light handheld conditions.




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Kinda pricey for just 2mm more on the wide end. And VR on an 85mm zoom? Sort of overkill.

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This is generally the primary lens aside from a 50mm for most I would think. All your family vacation shots, party shots, etc...are probably going to be with this lens assuming you have no others in that focal range. So to get VR and wider zoom range it seems worth it to me. That VR will make a world of difference on some indoor shots I think.
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This is generally the primary lens aside from a 50mm for most I would think. All your family vacation shots, party shots, etc...are probably going to be with this lens assuming you have no others in that focal range. So to get VR and wider zoom range it seems worth it to me. That VR will make a world of difference on some indoor shots I think.
My thoughts exactly, i have a lens close to this in the canon lineup, that almost never comes off my camera http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/co...&modelid=10511
It is like an SUV, it just does everything well, low light, bright light, indoors, out doors, stills action. I cant complain, it's just the perfect lens.




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That 12-24 does look nice though. Sheesh I can't get a 4th lens, must not...must resist...
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My thoughts exactly, i have a lens close to this in the canon lineup, that almost never comes off my camera http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/co...&modelid=10511
It is like an SUV, it just does everything well, low light, bright light, indoors, out doors, stills action. I cant complain, it's just the perfect lens.
Is it just me or does that Canon lens appear to be a helluva lot shorter than both the Nikon lenses? Maybe it's just the pictures.
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it's just the picture. I looked twice at it as well as I own it and know what it looks like.




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I just don't understand the point with as good as the 18-200 is. If I look at the majority of my walk-around photos, they are +85mm range.

If you don't mind switching lenses then maybe this 16-85 plus the 70-300 would a nice combo.

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Hey guys, I am interested in keeping up with the lens discussions as I shoot a lot and am always looking at bodies and lenses. Would you mind including the F on these lenses for discussion purposes?

For example, this discussion is about a 3.5-5.6 lens. That works great for outdoor shots, but is relatively worthless for sports shooting in most high school gyms. Anyone shooting with 2.8 straight or better lenses?

Heck, at that F range, I'd love an 18-200 since it fits most requirements, but most my shooting requires 2.8 and would like even better.

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The 18-200 is an incredible lens.. my brother in law has one and shot most of my wedding with it...
That said.. I think he said it was a bit slow.. If I remember right he was referring to the af....
I could be wrong though...

I need to go pickup a Canon 70-200mm F2.8 IS L lens for my cam.. I have rented it a handful of times... gah gah.

My brother in laws friend just got the new d3 and the new nano crystal coated 14-24
http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/14-24mm.htm

Looks like Nikon just announced a new batch of lenses

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I just don't understand the point with as good as the 18-200 is. If I look at the majority of my walk-around photos, they are +85mm range.

If you don't mind switching lenses then maybe this 16-85 plus the 70-300 would a nice combo.
I have a 70-300 which I rarely use when walking around. I prefer using my feet as zoom since that will provide a better shot about 90% of the time. There's times you want to shoot something that's out of walking range and that's when the 300 comes out, but I'd rather have the extra reach of that 70-300 than just a single 18-200. I think that for most of what I personally do, the 18-70 is perfect...having that extra bit to 85 won't hurt and what I'd really be gaining is a stop from the VR. Plus for me, I think on average you're getting slightly better photo's from something like that 16-85 since it doesn't have as big of a focal range to cover. You shouldn't have to search for that sweet spot as much. But then again a true side by side comparo will tell that difference. But if I can get a better shot with a 16-85 than the 18-200 I'll take it.
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Hey guys, I am interested in keeping up with the lens discussions as I shoot a lot and am always looking at bodies and lenses. Would you mind including the F on these lenses for discussion purposes?

For example, this discussion is about a 3.5-5.6 lens. That works great for outdoor shots, but is relatively worthless for sports shooting in most high school gyms. Anyone shooting with 2.8 straight or better lenses?

Heck, at that F range, I'd love an 18-200 since it fits most requirements, but most my shooting requires 2.8 and would like even better.
Yes, this lens would be pretty bad indoors for anything fast unless you're sitting right up front and don't have to zoom in, then you bump the ISO and have at it, but you'll still tend to get better shots with anything 2.8.

For you, if you're doing indoor sports shots, why not go for some prime lenses, then you have f/1.4 or f/1.8 to play with on glass that's going to give you a better shot each time anyway? Just grab a 50 and an 85 f/1.4 and go nuts.
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Prime doesn't work for indoor sports. The targets move all the time. For portrait work and a variety of other fixed distance indoor applications, primes are a FAR better solution.

Of course bumping the ISO tend to introduce noise to the image as well... unfortunatley, gym lighting varies SO much from one gym to the next.

At the moment, I shoot 2 main 2.8 straight zooms. An 28-80mm 2.8, and a 70-200mm 2.8. They are the best I can get at the moment, but I need to upgrade my body to a newer chip so that I can get higher ISO levels with greater quality.

I have been shooting a D300 the last two weeks, and it has a 17-55mm 2.8 and a VR 70-200mm 2.8. That fits the bill, but NOTHING compared to what I got shooting the D3 with the same lenses. That was an awesome camera.

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The 18-200 is an incredible lens.. my brother in law has one and shot most of my wedding with it...
That said.. I think he said it was a bit slow.. If I remember right he was referring to the af....
I could be wrong though...
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Prime doesn't work for indoor sports. The targets move all the time. For portrait work and a variety of other fixed distance indoor applications, primes are a FAR better solution.

Of course bumping the ISO tend to introduce noise to the image as well... unfortunatley, gym lighting varies SO much from one gym to the next.

At the moment, I shoot 2 main 2.8 straight zooms. An 28-80mm 2.8, and a 70-200mm 2.8. They are the best I can get at the moment, but I need to upgrade my body to a newer chip so that I can get higher ISO levels with greater quality.

I have been shooting a D300 the last two weeks, and it has a 17-55mm 2.8 and a VR 70-200mm 2.8. That fits the bill, but NOTHING compared to what I got shooting the D3 with the same lenses. That was an awesome camera.
As far as prime goes... I agree... That said with as high of megapixel as the cam your shooting is you could always crop out all of the extra in post processing.. right? (personally .. I would do it as you are doing.. just a conceptual question)

My brother in law has a d200.. wants a d300 and I keep trying to talk him into a d3.. but he is being cheap... his friend got one.. and the tone of his voice when he called me telling me "dude we are sitting in a room with all of the lights off taking handheld pictures of pages in a dictionary from across the room" said more about that camera than any review I have read to date.
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Yep, VR wont do anything to help stop motion. Its a great feature for panning and camera shake, but a fast lens is what is really needed.

Even at F/2.8, I have found it to be a little slow for indoor sports. While the D300 can crank up to ISO6400, I would really like that to be a last resort option.

Primes can work well for indoor sports, however. If you plan it right, you can use a 50/1.4 for your closer distances, and an 85/1.4/1.8 or 135/2 for the distant stuff.

If need be, both Canon and Nikon make awesome 200/2 with IS/VR in them. These are the ultimate lenses for indoor sports, but make sure you stand far enough back. 200mm indoors is a looooong lens.

So far I have been relatively happy with my current setup: D300/D50, 12-24/4, 18-50/2.8, 50/1.8, and 70-200/2.8 VR.

I would like to get a 35/1.4, but Nikon seems to be taking their sweet old time with producing an autofocus variant of theirs. The Sigma 30/1.4 is an option, but I want to see what Nikon comes up with before I pull the trigger.

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Wink,

I'm in a similar situation with my girls. Gymnastics doesn't allow flash and the lighting indoors is horrible. In fact, they aren't in real gymnastics competing, but I try to follow the rules of no flash.

I used to shoot some volleyball as well. A lot of gyms these days have skylights for extra light, and that really screws with my white balances making it near impossible to get quality shots.

Heck, I even tried switching back to film for a couple days with some ISO 1600 and 3200 film. Still no luck.

I found that the prime is tough to use for sports as well. I have the 17-55 f/2.8 and that is my primary lens. It works for me on the D80, but would love to see what it can do on the D300. Also, I'd love to try out the 70-200 f/2.8 and see what that thing can do.
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Have you tried renting lenses?
Calumet photo has a huge selection and it's pretty cheap.. I have rented over a couple weekends, which only counts as one day... So 35-40 bucks to rent a couple thousand $ lens for a weekend.. not bad...

My brother in law has the 70/200 2.8 VR.. He loves is.... As far as for motorcycles the Canon eq is excellent..

From what I heard the way the lights make light in gyms makes shooting them very difficult (they strobe thru a # of colors quickly - at least the sodium and mercury lights do).. Are you shooting raw and messing with wb when you touch up or shooting jpg?
I am not an expert obviously..
More curious as to how others are doing it than offering advice...
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I would try a Jpeg shot with auto white balance, and based on that, I would either tune the WB temperature, or just shoot RAW and fix it in post.

If you have to push your camera and lens to its limits, its probably best to just shoot RAW anyways. You will be able to recover the mistakes much better, and end up with some pretty good shots for the very crappy conditions.

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Haven't shot in a while, but I would shoot in JPG/RAW combined. I usually like the JPG one's indoors better

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