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Truth about Digital Cameras???

Just wanted to know your thoughts about the following articles.

True or Bullshit???

http://pogue.blogs.nytimes.com/2006/...ogues-posts-2/

http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/mpmyth.htm

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Pretty much true...
General consensus seems to be 6mp is best....
Over that and they are cramming to much on to little
SLR's are a slightly different game....
Most people say they do improve at over 6mp

Now all that said.. If you are talking smallprints... Prfetty much doesnt matter.. It's gonna look the same... I imagine you'll see some difference when you start going poster or to one of these Wallhogs things I want (7' across longways not diag)
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I have always been a fan of film.

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btw.... if ken rockwell says it.. chances are it's pretty dead on...
guy knows his shit.. think he takes better photos with a camera phone than I do with my slr
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Only advantage of larger than 6MP is if you end up needing to crop a picture.

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When you zoom and crop and all that fun stuff MP begins to make more of a difference. I agree with the 5-6 being just about all the casual photog will ever need.

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In the Second article he states that a Photo Mag will not accept anything under a 20mp if I read that right.

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In the Second article he states that a Photo Mag will not accept anything under a 20mp if I read that right.
that's just cuz they're a bunch of snobs
or canon fans!
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Whoever really wants to understand how to get the 6mp poster, take a digital photography class. It is slightly easier with the higher mp cameras to blow a print up. There is so much more to it than just the camera and what size.

I dropped the class I was taking, but know that you have a lot more than just the camera and megapixels to get a good print.
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Mega-pixels help, but it is really down to the CCD that captures all the information.

From memory, 6MP will go up to 8x10s without interpolation (printing at 300dpi), which is fine for most people.

Then you have Cannon, Nikon etc. SLRs around 10 - 14MPs which go to 20x30s with no problem.

But like I said, a really good CCD is what makes all the difference in picture quality.

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Not all cameras use CCD sensors, CMOS is the other guy.

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Not all cameras use CCD sensors, CMOS is the other guy.


True - same goes; quality.

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A quality lens on a D50 (6mp) can usually take better pics than a kit lens on a D80 (10mp).
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The main issue with the MP war is that back when cameras jumped from 1.2MP to 6MP that is a HUGE amount of added resolution. But 6 to 10 isn't even a 100% increase. Until they hit 20-30MP, not much of a difference will be noticed.

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wow thanks for all the feedback. good stuff! there's sooo much to learn about taking good pics. well i got my camera, so now all i can do is read up on all this shit and start taking pics!!! but Ken Rockwell does have a lot of stuff on his site on how to take great pics. i guess i'll start with that for now! happy shooting!!!

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Rockwell is a good reference, but just take his stuff with a grain of salt; he's very opinionated and can be a little extremist with some of his views.

What camera do you have (or plan to have)?

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Rockwell is a good reference, but just take his stuff with a grain of salt; he's very opinionated and can be a little extremist with some of his views.

What camera do you have (or plan to have)?
i went with the Canon Xti/400D which I picked up last week. i've been very pleased with Canon products. before i got this camera i was using a Canon SD900 Point & Shoot, which I still like very much. before that i had a Sony CyberShot, which I didn't really like that much. i know that the Nikon D40 is a great camera and that's what I'm telling my friend to buy, so we can compare pics.

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Pssshhhhh....Canon. J/K

I've got a D40 w/ 18-200VR.

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i went with the Canon Xti/400D which I picked up last week. i've been very pleased with Canon products. before i got this camera i was using a Canon SD900 Point & Shoot, which I still like very much. before that i had a Sony CyberShot, which I didn't really like that much. i know that the Nikon D40 is a great camera and that's what I'm telling my friend to buy, so we can compare pics.

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Tell your bud to do a bit of research... last i heard many people who know a lot more than me are saying they get better quality out of the d40 vs the d40x.... For the very reason you posted this thread...

I am not saying that is the current view.. seems like these views often tend to flip flop.. so you can take that for what it's worth... Just worth looking into
That said.. They can also take the $$$ they save and apply it towards better glass.. 9 times out of 10 better glass is going to make a bigger difference than more pixels (assuming we aren't comparing 2mp to a 23mp 1ds mark 3.. lets be real)
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Pssshhhhh....Canon. J/K

I've got a D40 w/ 18-200VR.
Nice lens! I heard you stole it from another member, is that true?
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It is interesting for me reading these threads about greater MP cameras, lenses etc.

Just a general question: How many people here actually print their digital shots?

I ask because a have a feeling that these days people are spending a lot for cameras that will only show pictures on their computer. If that is the case, a good quality point and shoot, or a "lower-end" slr, will do the job quite well.

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It is interesting for me reading these threads about greater MP cameras, lenses etc.

Just a general question: How many people here actually print their digital shots?

I ask because a have a feeling that these days people are spending a lot for cameras that will only show pictures on their computer. If that is the case, a good quality point and shoot, or a "lower-end" slr, will do the job quite well.

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Good Point. I have printed a handful of 8x10 photos, and one of my favorites actually came from my 6MP Canon Powershot Elph.

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It is interesting for me reading these threads about greater MP cameras, lenses etc.

Just a general question: How many people here actually print their digital shots?

I ask because a have a feeling that these days people are spending a lot for cameras that will only show pictures on their computer. If that is the case, a good quality point and shoot, or a "lower-end" slr, will do the job quite well.

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Do you print them in house or send them out to a lab?

If sent to a lab, how is the quality and does it match well to what you see on your monitor?

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Do you print them in house or send them out to a lab?

If sent to a lab, how is the quality and does it match well to what you see on your monitor?

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If you are having problems, you can get real technical and put the printer's properties into your image. That isn't too hard, but finding the right properties for the printer can be.
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Hi Bobby,
I use to run a digital printing lab in Oz and have real in-depth knowledge on monitor calibration, machine profiling etc.

I was just wondering how much trouble, if any, people have getting their digital files to print as expected. Hence how many people actual send the files to be printed.

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Send Dorothy my best wishes over in Oz.

I will admit that Costco in Lake Zurich a couple years back was printing a little on the red side.
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