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Cool DSLR camera recommendation

So, I sold my old DSC-717 and now Iím on the look for new camera.
Iím in the budget of around 500$.
I was thinking Nikon D40.

Nikon kit is around 470$, and lens which comes with the camera makes nice pictures.

I was also playing with Canon EOS 350D, but quality of photo with that kit lens was disappointing. My Sony was making better sharper photos than that 350D with that lens which comes in that kit.

Any recommendation for DSLR in that money budget?
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You cant go wrong with Nikon or canon. dont pay attention to the kit lens, in fact just buy the body only and go buy a good lens. If you buy the canon I got a kit lens over here I'll sell ya cheap just so you can play till you get a good one.




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Unfortunately the D40 only comes as a kit. I don't believe you have the option for body only.

The Canon XT is a much more option filled camera than the D40, but if you are disappointed in the images that the kit lens produces, then maybe its not for you. Certainly the camera is not at fault, and you could go body only, but now you are looking at spending another $250 on an okay third party lens to make up for what the XT kit lacks.

The D40 isn't bad, and it very simple and user friendly. It takes very nice photos, even with the supplied kit lens, but the body itself is rather limited for a DSLR. Its great for getting into the hobby, and expanding your photographic learning, but it lacks many features that the Canon XT has.

Another one to possibly look at is the Pentax K100D. I toyed around with one of those at the store and its a very nice unit. The supplied kit lens puts most third party pro lenses to shame. In body Image stabilization is always a nice thing.

In fact, the Sony A100, or now the A200, might be an option as well. Sony is a HUGE company with a lot of money to throw around, so I wouldn't be surprised to see Sony throwing a lot of money into their DSLR line and take some of the market from Canon and Nikon.

If you want a slightly more feature packed camera and still need to meet your budget, you can always go used and pick up a Nikon D50/70/70s. Or even a Canon 20/30D. The 30D will probably be slightly out of your budget, but the 20D is basically the same camera, just one generation older. The 20D takes amazing photos despite its age.

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Cannon looked nice, good grip, but that lens was a big disappointment. I wish I had extra 300$ to spend for new lens for that camera but that’s not the option for know. I had Rebel2000 35MM and that one was making nice photos.

Sony, I don’t know. Had Sony before and there is always a hassle to get parts for it, most of them they have to be specific from them.

That Sony I had was nice but too slow. I take lots of photos of my kids, and you guys know, kids are in constant move.

There was also Olympus, don’t know the name of it but wasn’t that expansive but quite impressive. I think I will visit wolf camera and play a little with all of them.

D40 – I saw photos here taken by those cameras and I would like to say – wow
Nice sharp crisp images for not a lot of money.

I rather look for new camera with warranty, it’s expansive to fix them if something breaks.

This will be my first DSLR camera so I would like to have something decent.
I’m not so new to digital photography. I hate taking photos in auto modes, I rather spend little bit more time preparing for photo that just set to auto and snap.

Thanx guys, I will look at all of the specified cameras, and do more research.

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Isn't the Rebel 2000 an EF mount camera also? You can just use the lenses from that on an XT if you think the kit lens isn't cutting it. A lot of us here have 3rd party lenses on our cameras, both Canon and Nikon, so you should make sure that the pictures you see here aren't using 3rd party lenses. I have an XTi, and will probably be bringing it tonight, that you're more than welcome to play around with.
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My wifes uncle has XTi it's a nice camera, but he also has original lens,
and like I stated before - wasn't impressed with that one.

Isn't the Rebel 2000 an EF mount camera also? - yes it is,
but I sold it long time ago, I think even before Canon introduced DSLR.

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plus have to watch my kidos, and I REFUSE to be Ray's (CBray) bitch

I will go to Wolf camera and will see.
I do not want to get anything on credit, but I think I might have to

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I have to say that, in my somewhat limited experience, poor pictures are the result of operator error or bad camera settings. Canon and Nikon SLR's (along with many of the other names), even the kit lens, offer more potential than the average person can realize. Proper settings can make or break your photos. I've seen photos that people took with a camera phone that look better than anything done by an idiot with a $15k camera and lens combo.

So I would have to say, learn how to properly set up and use your camera and you'll be amazed by the results you can achieve.

Oh yeah, Canon products rule. Don't listen to those Nikon guys

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I have a friend who works for the newspaper taking photos. I ask him about Canon XTi, and he said it's a great camera but that lens has to go.

I like both Canon and Nikon. I had small point and shoot Canon, awesome quality photos, and now wife has Nikon, same thing, great for such a small camera.

I think it's just a personal preference.

Right now I'm money limited, so I don't have a lot of options here.

I should make a pool here
D40
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If you're looking for value, go with the D40 (so you know D40 = XT, D40x = XTi when comparing). I think if you're looking for the better of the two, I think the XTi is the way to go. Honestly, this has been debated all over, it really comes down to personal preference. You can't go wrong with either, and along the lines of what JayHRC said, skill is more of a factor in the quality so invest in classes and books.
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In fact, the Sony A100, or now the A200, might be an option as well. Sony is a HUGE company with a lot of money to throw around, so I wouldn't be surprised to see Sony throwing a lot of money into their DSLR line and take some of the market from Canon and Nikon.
Sony is nothing but a rehashed Konica Minolta. You think Nikon and Canon lenses are pricey, look at the ones that fit Sony DSLR's.

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D40 Ė I saw photos here taken by those cameras and I would like to say Ė wow
Nice sharp crisp images for not a lot of money.
The lens is the most important part. A D40 with pro glass will give sharp clean pics. A D3 with a $150 Phoenix lens will have crappy pics.

As for warranty issues. Nikon sticks behind their gear. Even though my D70 is WAAAYYY out of warranty, they will still fix the dreaded BGLOD problem free if mine develops it.

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You have a good eye, Peter. The "kit" lenses on the Canon are their weakest link. Nikon's kit lenses are light years ahead of the Canon kits.

That said, both camera bodies can produce fantastic images, glass is the key.
In fact, the body will probably be upgraded every 3 to 5 years, but the lenses should be with you 10-20 years!

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The Canon kit lens is a throwaway, but the Nikon kit lens is a great lens. I've taken a ton of great photos with that lens.

My vote, get the D40 kit and stop posting here and start taking photos. I love mine.

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If you're looking for value, go with the D40 (so you know D40 = XT, D40x = XTi when comparing).
Bah. 6MP<=>10MP is splitting hairs. I prefer the smaller JPEG file size my 6MP D40 uses. I'd buy the D40 over the X right now as it's a better value.

The D40 is twice as good as the old Rebel XT. You should be comparing the D40 & D40x to the XTi.

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Sony is nothing but a rehashed Konica Minolta. You think Nikon and Canon lenses are pricey, look at the ones that fit Sony DSLR's.
Yes, I agree whole heartedly that the Sony lenses are overpriced. I mean did you see how much they want for a 70-300 F/4-5.6? Bargain bin pricing of $800!!!

The advantage, however, is that you can use any lens and have image stabilization. There are some very nice third party lenses out there that perform as well as first party glass, but they are almost half the price. Slap that onto a Sony camera body, and you have instant IS. For some people this is very important. For me, I bought into Nikon for their glass. If the lens doesn't have VR, there is obviously a logical reason as to why it doesn't have VR. I trust Nikon's judgment on that topic.

I certainly would not buy into the Sony system for its glass. However, they do make the sensors for Nikon, and use many similar parts as the Nikon cameras, only they are much less expensive for the body. Certainly not as nice as the Nikon bodies, but not terrible. And they are still in their infancy when it comes to SLR cameras. Yeah, they bought out Konika/Minolta, but the only thing they retained is the lens mount. Everything else is Sony. So Im sure with a little more time, Sony will begin to understand ergonomics, build quality, and feel for their bodies. I think they are just trying to be different, and are testing out some weird gadgets that really have no need to be on a camera. One of these days they will find out just what needs to be in a camera, and what is stupid gadgetry. Give them time.

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One other note, go to a camera store and use both cameras. I originally thought I wanted the XTi based on 'research' and 'recommendations'. I immediately disliked the feel of the XTi and loved the operation of the D40. Personal preference, though. you can't go wrong with either body, but for the least money getting you out there taking photos and learning, the D40 wins.

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Nice photos from that D40.
Anyone from Canon side can post such a nice photos with the original lens?

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One other note, go to a camera store and use both cameras. I originally thought I wanted the XTi based on 'research' and 'recommendations'. I immediately disliked the feel of the XTi and loved the operation of the D40. Personal preference, though. you can't go wrong with either body, but for the least money getting you out there taking photos and learning, the D40 wins.
That's what finally pushed me over to the Nikon side. I had some old Nikon glass, and had used Nikon film cameras when I was a kid...but *everyone* was extolling the virtues of Canon.

All it took was 15 minutes with each in my hand at the camera store and Canon's fate was sealed. The ergonomics and quality of the build won me over. It really *felt* like a camera and not a fisher price toy that happened to take quality lenses.

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I would like to say I can, but I've never used it. I updated glass when I bought the camera and never looked back.

The best piece of advice that keeps coming up is going with what you feel more comfortable with. For Lonely and Shadrach, it was the Nikon. I felt better with the Canon. It seems like you've already made up your mind, you just don't know it or haven't admitted it yet.
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Nice photos from that D40.
Anyone from Canon side can post such a nice photos with the original lens?
Google "rebel xti photos", You can see millions. Here's one page that came up...Just birds, but still gives an idea of the possibilities

http://www.pbase.com/dadas115/canon_rebel_xti

Edit because those pictures aren't with the "kit" lens, sorry.

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I have 2 now older model Canons puchased as body-only. All my glass is either Sigma EX or Canon EF L except the 100MM Macro which is Canon EF (not L series).

The old D30 will take great photos if you frame the shot well. Not enough pixels to do a ton of cropping and enlarging. It is a little slow on focus and has problems with auto focus in low light and is only 3 fps for around 3 shots.

The 10D is much better. Faster focus, more focus points, better in low light, and more pixels.

Both will take great pictures if you work within their limitations. The reduced JPEGs that I've been posting don't really do the camera justice. You need to see the full-size shots to really appreciate it.

Even the D30 is a fine camera for a beginner.

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The only negative I have against my D40x is lens expandability. Not much support last time I looked. (Granted that was a while ago.) The kit lens does me well.

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The advantage, however, is that you can use any lens and have image stabilization. There are some very nice third party lenses out there that perform as well as first party glass, but they are almost half the price. Slap that onto a Sony camera body, and you have instant IS. For some people this is very important. For me, I bought into Nikon for their glass. If the lens doesn't have VR, there is obviously a logical reason as to why it doesn't have VR. I trust Nikon's judgment on that topic.
Only thing I say to people who buy into IS/VR is that we never had it years ago and pictures we took were just fine without it. We just learned how to hold a camera still or use a tripod/monopod. Then again we had to select our own aperture and shutter speeds and was stuck with one ISO until we ran out of film.

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The only negative I have against my D40x is lens expandability. Not much support last time I looked. (Granted that was a while ago.) The kit lens does me well.
Its starting to build up for AF-S class lenses. Tamron is making some now that will work with the D40/60 bodies. Sigma HSM will work also.
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