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Time to sell all yer old D300 bodies!

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Well looks like Canon is gonna have to up its 5D now.


Wonder if the D700 is gonna be similar to the D3 and can use DX lenses also or if its gonna be like the 5D and has to use certain lenses.
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Well looks like Canon is gonna have to up its 5D now.


Wonder if the D700 is gonna be similar to the D3 and can use DX lenses also or if its gonna be like the 5D and has to use certain lenses.
It's a full frame sensor "FX" format, so no, DX are not preferred lenses, though they may work.

Looks like a nice camera.
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<~~ Will be buying D300... let me know who's selling. LOL
Keep me in mind. While it's not in my budget, it would make a nice birthday/x-mas present if the family helped me get the D700. So if you're in no hurry, I might be selling my D300 in a few months.

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It's a full frame sensor "FX" format, so no, DX are not preferred lenses, though they may work.

Looks like a nice camera.
Most of my lenses are full frame already. I'd miss my Tokina 12-24 and Sigma 30mm f/1.4, but one can only assume Nikon has some AF-S primes coming down the pipe.

Also, it's pretty safe to assume that the FX cameras will default to DX if you attach a DX lens by autocropping directly from the sensor. So DX should work at a lower resolution (I say this having not read the hands on yet, so maybe I'm wrong).

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What about my D200? I'm still using that one as a backup!

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You guys have fun with your $2500 and $4000 cameras, I'm going to keep carrying my compact D40 and 18-200 combo around with me everywhere. Approaching 19,000 exposures already.

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You guys have fun with your $2500 and $4000 cameras, I'm going to keep carrying my compact D40 and 18-200 combo around with me everywhere. Approaching 19,000 exposures already.
And from what I've seen, your photos are looking better and better all the time, Jeff!

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You guys have fun with your $2500 and $4000 cameras, I'm going to keep carrying my compact D40 and 18-200 combo around with me everywhere. Approaching 19,000 exposures already.

exactly.. that's the atitude i'm talking about..
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D700 is basically where the D3 should have been with which is overpriced. I recall reading about the D700 a couple weeks ago...people on the D300 forums were in a frenzy about it and some disappointed with their D300 purchase.

Truth is that I don't get who would buy the D700 other than pro or near pro photog's. It's going to be a fantastic camera no doubt about that. But what is it going to offer that most people here couldn't do with a D80, D300, or the 3 year old Canon 5D?

$3000 for a camera, then $1600 for a 24-70mm, and either $450 for a Tokina 12-24 or $780 for the Nikkor 12-24mm. So just to get a nice walk around camera and lenses with that combo you're at around $5k. On top of that, if you want a telephoto zoom lens, all of them will be in DX crop mode. Could just be me, but I see little use in that camera except for those who were thinking about a D3 since it's a very close replica of that but for a much cheaper price. I'd be more pissed right now if I owned a D3 than anything.
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I agree with your D3 statement...did Wink ever get a D3?

As for why the D700? The sensor basically. The full frame, lower noise, better dynamic range sensor.

If you can pull off what you need with the D40, more power to ya. Do I need a D700? No, I for sure don't...hell, I've not even had time to really work the D300. But if I could swing it, I wouldn't kick the D700 out of bed. :P

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I agree with your D3 statement...did Wink ever get a D3?

As for why the D700? The sensor basically. The full frame, lower noise, better dynamic range sensor.

If you can pull off what you need with the D40, more power to ya. Do I need a D700? No, I for sure don't...hell, I've not even had time to really work the D300. But if I could swing it, I wouldn't kick the D700 out of bed. :P
To be honest, even if they were identical prices, the D700 would be a tough sale for me. Ok, full frame sensor. The big place I'll notice a difference is on your high ISO performance. Nice to shoot at 6400 with minimal noise But I've still gotta get rid of my 17-55mm and for sure pick up a 24-70! And for what? In reality all my shots will still pretty much look the same. If you meter manually then you can expect very similar results.

Any shots taken with my 70-300 and I'm not using that sensor that I just paid all that money for to its fullest advantage. Seems like many on DPreview at least are just shutterbugs and must own the highest number in the bunch. FF would be fantastic, and if the lenses were abundant and in the right price range then I'd be all over it, but that's still a few years off I think.

Who other than a true pro has any practical use for a D3 or D700? I'd love to hear the justification. Because at this point in time, the only serious reason I'd see for jumping would be for better ISO performance. D700 is a solid choice for anyone who is contemplating a D3 because you'll notice no difference between the 2 except $2300 more in your pocket with the D700.

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D700 is a solid choice for anyone who is contemplating a D3 because you'll notice no difference between the 2 except $2300 more in your pocket with the D700.
Never mind the D3 has a 100% view finder vs the D700's 95%

D3 has dual CF slots, D700 has one

D3 does [email protected] (and 11fps in dx mode) vs the [email protected] (8fps with grip and en4e batteries)

D3 isnt overpriced. Its right on par with its competitor the 1dMIII ($4K). The D3x will probably be right with its competitor the 1dsMIII at $8K


Though they shouldnt had named it D700. At the rate they are making new bodies they will run out of numbers in 5 yrs. D300FX probably would had been more approiate.

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Never mind the D3 has a 100% view finder vs the D700's 95%

D3 has dual CF slots, D700 has one

D3 does [email protected] (and 11fps in dx mode) vs the [email protected] (8fps with grip and en4e batteries)

D3 isnt overpriced. Its right on par with its competitor the 1dMIII ($4K). The D3x will probably be right with its competitor the 1dsMIII at $8K


Though they shouldnt had named it D700. At the rate they are making new bodies they will run out of numbers in 5 yrs. D300FX probably would had been more approiate.
Dual CF slots is handy if you can push it to that level. A single 8 gig card has worked for me so far

9fps yes...it's nice. The D300 does 6fps and I'm generally turning it down at events such as the track because 6 is way too many. As a side question has anyone ever used the 6fps of the D300 or 9fps of the D3 to the fullest advantage? Airshow, birds in flight, track shots...can't think of much that would call for 6fps or greater unless it's a pro event and every detail matters, then of course.

And of course 100% view finder is good too. But we're talking 3000 vs 5000 for the above features and no pop up flash in the D3...not that it's used much but there's been an ebay listing or two when it's nice to pop up the flash rather than strap the sb600 on.

But all the features above don't equate to a $2000 difference in my financial book. Dual cf and 9fps for an extra 2k? Except maybe in your darkest of darks...IQ between the D700 and D3 will be the same since they'll be using the same sensor. Oh and as for being on par with the Mark...that's $1k more.

And also don't forget that prices do go down over time. Digital cameras are still relatively new. So a D3x coming out and being priced at $8k is too high no matter what the features are. The tech has improved and become cheaper. There's little excuse to price it as high as before unless there's a ground breaking technology introduced just like when the xTI's took a leap forward with a supposedly self cleaning sensor (and some other features) and jumped up in price.

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And personally, I'd be a little pissed at Nikon if I was a D3 customer. I think we can safely say that the D700 will be a nice punch in the arm for the street price of the D3.
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To be honest, even if they were identical prices, the D700 would be a tough sale for me. Ok, full frame sensor. The big place I'll notice a difference is on your high ISO performance. Nice to shoot at 6400 with minimal noise But I've still gotta get rid of my 17-55mm and for sure pick up a 24-70! And for what? In reality all my shots will still pretty much look the same. If you meter manually then you can expect very similar results.

Any shots taken with my 70-300 and I'm not using that sensor that I just paid all that money for to its fullest advantage. Seems like many on DPreview at least are just shutterbugs and must own the highest number in the bunch. FF would be fantastic, and if the lenses were abundant and in the right price range then I'd be all over it, but that's still a few years off I think.

Who other than a true pro has any practical use for a D3 or D700? I'd love to hear the justification. Because at this point in time, the only serious reason I'd see for jumping would be for better ISO performance. D700 is a solid choice for anyone who is contemplating a D3 because you'll notice no difference between the 2 except $2300 more in your pocket with the D700.
You don't have to get rid of you DX lenses. The camera is versatile. I have no use for this camera, but it's fun to read about it.

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Possibly greater battery capacity with the D3.

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Higher FPS rate with the D3.

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You don't have to get rid of you DX lenses. The camera is versatile. I have no use for this camera, but it's fun to read about it.

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You don't have to get rid of your DX lenses, but if you're at the level where you're buying it, it makes sense to get the most out of your camera instead of paying all that money for it and then using a DX lens. Why would I go out and buy an FX camera to use 5mp of it in cropped mode? Yea you can use it that way, but makes more sense to have FX lenses.
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Dual CF slots is handy if you can push it to that level. A single 8 gig card has worked for me so far

The dual card slots can be used for redundancy. Nice to be able to save the same pic to 2 different cards incase one card fails.
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The dual card slots can be used for redundancy. Nice to be able to save the same pic to 2 different cards incase one card fails.
Ok, I'd agree there. But still...$2000 more for that feature is a bit much. D3 should be $4k, D700 $3k, D300 $1600, and D80/D90 $800. Everything is more or less priced ok except for the D3. For the features you're getting, the hike in price from one to the other is off.
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Ok, I'd agree there. But still...$2000 more for that feature is a bit much. D3 should be $4k, D700 $3k, D300 $1600, and D80/D90 $800. Everything is more or less priced ok except for the D3. For the features you're getting, the hike in price from one to the other is off.
Wow, you should work for Nikon with your logic.
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It's not a large enough leap from my D70s for me to consider and upgrade. Besides with my lack of skills, I wouldn't know what to do with it.

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