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pulling trigger on d80 package, but which.

D80 DSLR with AF-S DX NIKKOR 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6G VR Lens - MSRP $999.99

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The first bundle says better deal for savings. I care about lens qual morethan zoom. I am not a big zoooooooomer.
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Well, the 2nd option will give you more range on the lens. I think you might like that one better. Although, the first package you have the VR option which is nice for some people. I personally don't like the milisecond lag that VR creates, it's hard for me to get used to.

Quality is about the same, they are both AF-S, the best focusing; both are DX formatting for your undersized sensor.

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neg. new lenses i havent kept up to date on technology so hence the question. like i am not familiar with vr...

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Well, the 2nd option will give you more range on the lens. I think you might like that one better. Although, the first package you have the VR option which is nice for some people. I personally don't like the milisecond lag that VR creates, it's hard for me to get used to.

Quality is about the same, they are both AF-S, the best focusing; both are DX formatting for your undersized sensor.

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I agree completely, though I'm getting used to VR since my Pro lenses are VR.

If you were a baller, Rick, I'd get the D80 body and save up for the 18-200VR

If you really wanted quality, you'd get the D80 and a couple of prime lenses like the Sigma 30mm f/1.4 and some sort of Macro.

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I'm with raven on this one. Try to save up or find a used 18-200 VR. VR on an 18-55 is not all that important except under some more rare conditions. 55mm simply isn't that far of a zoom where you need to worry about camera shake under normal conditions. So the VR wouldn't be my selling point unless I knew I wanted to do a lot of hand held low light photography. Another great combo that's a step up from the 18-200 would be the 18-70 (or more expensive and newer 16-85 VR which IQ wise is identical to the 18-70) and then picking up a 70-300 zoom. I'd say that you can snag an 18-70 and a 70-300 for prolly around $500 together. You might also want to consider buying used since you're not 100% sure what you want. This way you can try a lens and if you don't like it, you can sell it for little or no loss.
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i bought the d200 with the 18-200 lens. it's a good deal if you're not the type to have 10 different lenses for all types of applications. That 18-200 lens is quite versatile.

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I'm with raven on this one. Try to save up or find a used 18-200 VR. VR on an 18-55 is not all that important except under some more rare conditions. 55mm simply isn't that far of a zoom where you need to worry about camera shake under normal conditions. So the VR wouldn't be my selling point unless I knew I wanted to do a lot of hand held low light photography. Another great combo that's a step up from the 18-200 would be the 18-70 (or more expensive and newer 16-85 VR which IQ wise is identical to the 18-70) and then picking up a 70-300 zoom. I'd say that you can snag an 18-70 and a 70-300 for prolly around $500 together. You might also want to consider buying used since you're not 100% sure what you want. This way you can try a lens and if you don't like it, you can sell it for little or no loss.
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i bought the d200 with the 18-200 lens. it's a good deal if you're not the type to have 10 different lenses for all types of applications. That 18-200 lens is quite versatile.
All very good points.

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I personally dislike the 18-200.
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lolz.

actually your points did secure the purchase of the vr lens in that package because i have the 200 gc to dell to burn so that puts the preice of the package down to 550 which is the same as a used d80 body. and i can use that till i can afford a second lens. zoom is not important to me immidiately and it wasnt often i switched lenses for one that did. (just the photography that i do)

this thread answere two things. which package to buy. and also decided my next lens lol! (serious. now i know what i am looking for)

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Mort82 is posting as a 17-55 f/2.8 owner. And none of those lenses come close to the IQ you get with that 17-55 or the 24-70. The 18-200 is a great walk around lens but it's not going to give you anywhere near the quality of what some of the prime lenses can do.

I equate buying cheap glass to going out and getting yourself a nice Ducati 1098R and then slapping some cheapo tires on there to save a bit of cash. But when you're first starting out and concerned with cash it's tough to avoid.
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Mort82 is posting as a 17-55 f/2.8 owner. And none of those lenses come close to the IQ you get with that 17-55 or the 24-70. The 18-200 is a great walk around lens but it's not going to give you anywhere near the quality of what some of the prime lenses can do.

I equate buying cheap glass to going out and getting yourself a nice Ducati 1098R and then slapping some cheapo tires on there to save a bit of cash. But when you're first starting out and concerned with cash it's tough to avoid.
But then (two-hotdogs-rubbing-boy) is getting the D80, which is more like getting a base model Monster or SV650. So any of the consumer lenses fall into that bracket. IMHO, knowing what I do now about Nikon gear, I'd go one of two directions; I'd either get a good camera and the 18-200VR (a complete "walk-about" kit) and use the kit forever and a day and run it into the ground....or I'd dump all my money into glass for the best shyte I could afford and the camera body becomes a far second in importance.

Non-Snob Pro's often do both those setups. They get a walk around setup that covers a huge range without swapping lenses (Nikon rocked in this with the 18-200VR and everyone is just now catching up), and then they have their Pro setup with hardware specific to the types of shooting they do.

The point is moot since Rick is using a gift card which forces him to buy from Dell, though I do believe they carry the Sigma lenses I mentioned above.

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I personally dislike the 18-200.
And I'm glad you did

I'm sure if I dropped the coin on pro stuff I'd be amazed but I'm happy with my results so far with that lens.

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Just get the second option (kit w/18-135) and start taking photos. Drop thousands on lenses later when you can actually justify the costs.

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Mort82 is posting as a 17-55 f/2.8 owner. And none of those lenses come close to the IQ you get with that 17-55 or the 24-70. The 18-200 is a great walk around lens but it's not going to give you anywhere near the quality of what some of the prime lenses can do.

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I'm sure if I dropped the coin on pro stuff I'd be amazed but I'm happy with my results so far with that lens.
Hey fockers! I just said I don't like it. I never said it was cheap glass.

Personally, i found in low light for it to be way too slow. I'll admit it, I suck at zoom, and the VR was a nice feature, though I think the one I sold shadrach was a VR I which is a little louder and slower. I don't like VR. I'm a xenophobe, we didn't have this technology 12 years ago.
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There, I didn't troll and roll this time. Fucking Eric
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Personally, i found in low light for it to be way too slow.
yes, it is. it's a multi purpose lens which won't be outstanding at any one thing, but will be a good all around versatile lens if you're not looking to dump a bunch of coin on specialty lenses, just like I said. yes, pro lenses are great and significantly better than the general purpose stuff, but, IMO, unless you are getting paid for taking pictures, the d80, 18-200 setup will be more than adequate for joe everyman.

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yes, it is. it's a multi purpose lens which won't be outstanding at any one thing, but will be a good all around versatile lens if you're not looking to dump a bunch of coin on specialty lenses, just like I said. yes, pro lenses are great and significantly better than the general purpose stuff, but, IMO, unless you are getting paid for taking pictures, the d80, 18-200 setup will be more than adequate for joe everyman.
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this story is true.


already learning about the next lens to purchase, but like I said, all I care about is quality, I am likely to purchase a macro tho.

I am trying to think of the last time I zoomed for a photo and its very tricky to remember, its always been composition and photoshop for me.
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i remember!! last moto races i went to out east, zoomed in on some titties and tight spandex.
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already learning about the next lens to purchase, but like I said, all I care about is quality, I am likely to purchase a macro tho.

I am trying to think of the last time I zoomed for a photo and its very tricky to remember, its always been composition and photoshop for me.
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sounds good mort, im going to have to take you up on that and try it out.


now I have to figure out some memory to buy, so far im just looking at sandisk extreme3 2gb or 4gb.
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I'm pretty sure the 4gb will be plenty, just remember not to put all your bets on one card cause they occasionally do fail, so I hear. Never had one fail, but you don't want to be left out shooting without backupsssss
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I'm pretty sure the 4gb will be plenty, just remember not to put all your bets on one card cause they occasionally do fail, so I hear. Never had one fail, but you don't want to be left out shooting without backupsssss


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