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Looking at 2 lenses... 70-200mm f2.8IS / 100-400

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has been my favorite lens.. I always rent one when going to a race.
This is a rather long trip.. and I think it makes more sense to buy/resell (who am i kidding?) the lens.. rather than to pay a few hundred a week to rent it...


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or the newer.. longer... slower

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I am leaning towards the 200.. it's such a good lens.. 2.8 might not be needed for racing.. and 200 isn't very long..
I can buy an extender (around 300 for a 1.4 or a 2.0) .. kills a stop or 2.. but.. I lose a stop or 2 on the 100-400 anyway...


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Of the 2, the 70-200 2.8. The 100-400 is a push pull and heard from a few canon guys that it likes to inhale dust when zooming.

How about the 70-200 F4? WOuld be cheaper.

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Of the 2, the 70-200 2.8. The 100-400 is a push pull and heard from a few canon guys that it likes to inhale dust when zooming.

How about the 70-200 F4? WOuld be cheaper.
thought about it.. but for handheld track stuff the IS is nice.. as is the 2.8 at full zoom

pricewise... if I want IS i am looking around a k for the f4 and 1.6k for f2.8

Resale is pretty good on them as well
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side note.. Canon has a 200$ rebate on the 70-200 2.8 IS right now..
but it looks like the shops all just raised their price a bit and included it.. so.. it's pretty much the same
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Awesome choice! The Nikon analog is a very, very good lens. I can't imagine not having it. The 2X isn't bad as long as it's quality glass and passes the lens information to the camera. I don't know how good the canon extenders are compared to the Nikon ones, so I can't suggest anything.

As for the push-pull dust thing. That happens with any/all push-pull lenses unfortunately.

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Awesome choice! The Nikon analog is a very, very good lens. I can't imagine not having it. The 2X isn't bad as long as it's quality glass and passes the lens information to the camera. I don't know how good the canon extenders are compared to the Nikon ones, so I can't suggest anything.

As for the push-pull dust thing. That happens with any/all push-pull lenses unfortunately.
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I know it's more than I need. But if I went one or two steps down I would always be thinking I should have just.... I'm sure you k ow why I mean. I've used this lens multiple times. Took it to the AMA races all but this year (this year I took the non-is version as they were out of is. Last year I used a 1.4x (1 stop) and. I am torn on it. It was crappy weather (as always) and I think the rain/hazy conditions messed up what would have otherwise been a lot of good shots. I am not sure if it was just the stop or the stop + whatever else. But the shots weren't as sharp an I had a lot of blurring issues

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I have the 70-200 F4L. It is a great lens for the track. especially if using a monopod. but if you can afford to go 2.8 I would totally go for it. I couldn't afford that kind of price jump at the time. Personally if track use it what your getting it for, I wouldn't be too concerned about IS, most of the time I have it off since I am panning, and it's very bright out.

Heres a shot I took last season, with this lens.






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I have the 70-200 F4L. It is a great lens for the track. especially if using a monopod. but if you can afford to go 2.8 I would totally go for it. I couldn't afford that kind of price jump at the time. Personally if track use it what your getting it for, I wouldn't be too concerned about IS, most of the time I have it off since I am panning, and it's very bright out.

Heres a shot I took last season, with this lens.

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Tracked on a monopod?

I knew you had the 70-200 F4 (wasn't sure IS or not)

The 70-200 f2.8 IS has 2 modes of IS ... so you can still pan on h axis or lock it full on

I know it is a bit spendy... I figured it's a great multi use lens.. Everyone I know with one raves about it.. and I have talked to more than a few who bought a non-is or a f4 and then upgraded.. figured I'd just start where I'd want to be.. or I'd constantly what if.. know what I mean?

I imagine in bright light I won't need 2.8... but anything less it's going to be a help.. plus shooting handheld most of the time the IS helps - I do not plan on having a large lens collection.. so I am going for middle to high of the ones I want (1 x closeup zoom - 1 x 50mm prime - 1 x 70-200 - and maybe an extender (although my one and only time using the 1.4 I was less than impressed...) I'd love one of the longer ones.. but they cost sooooo much money.. and when it starts coming down to a new gixxer 750 or a lens... bike is gonna win
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oh and Eric...

Canon has 2 lines of extenders.. Prosumer glass.. and L glass... Obviously they are not interchangable ... and also obviously the one with the white paint job is a bit more pricey...

So I would technically have to buy 2.. but I would probably only by the L one - for the long lens... If I needed to extend my 135mm I'd just be using my 200 anyway

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congrats on the purchase! I would love to have this lens. IS is pretty much useless when panning or taking action shots, but is very useful in low light conditions. I have a Sigma EX 70-200 F/2.8 and while it's no Canon L glass, it's pretty sweet and at 700 that I paid for it did not break the bank.

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Love the shots...
Thanks for the buyers remorse guys
I just bought a lens that costs more than my camera.. *with* it's lens ... and you guys are posting up awesome shots

In any case... The whole - no is for panning.. actually.. I listed that in the + column..
Specifically due to the dual mode IS.. ie you can have x/y access IS or just x access..
So say you are on a monopod.. flip to mode 2 and you can track sith it but not have up down..

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side note.. when I have used this lens most of the time.. it has been so fast there is not a lot of tracking going on.. When I open it up and fire away it's running 1/1000 of a second or so at 2.8

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was half tempted to grab this one...
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<600 bucks.. and I bet 80% or more of the time it would work perfectly
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plus shooting handheld most of the time the IS helps
Also holding the camera while keeping your elbows against your body does the same thing. How do you think we did it BEFORE image stabilization was even thought of?

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well, I didn't see this until just now, but I would have told you to get what you got also. Last year I borrowed a very similar nikon lens (80-200 2.8) with a 1.7x (I think, it may have been 1.4) teleconverter when I went to F1 Canada. It had decent reach and still plenty fast enough for the outdoor summer lighting.

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You made the right choice...cause if you do get the extender, yeah it will drop a stop (or two for the 2x) but you'll have your 400mm of reach, at close to the same speed as the 100-400mm without an extender...but the plus side is without the extender, you have 2.8, which I'm sure you'll find makes that lens the winner. Enjoy the purchase and post some pics when you get it!
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Also holding the camera while keeping your elbows against your body does the same thing. How do you think we did it BEFORE image stabilization was even thought of?
Tripods?

seriously though. I considered the non is model. Would have saved me about 400$ from IS. I shot with a 70-200 non IS at the AMA race this year at the shutter speeds I was using IS probably wouldn't make that much of a difference. That said I figured there are a number of scenarios where it will come into play... And it would be nice to cover as many bases as possible with as few lenses as possible. Both from cost and logistics perspectives. It's amazing how much shit I have to lug around just for a day trip now. I am limited to one bag for camera stuff (and 4 for baby)
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You made the right choice...cause if you do get the extender, yeah it will drop a stop (or two for the 2x) but you'll have your 400mm of reach, at close to the same speed as the 100-400mm without an extender...but the plus side is without the extender, you have 2.8, which I'm sure you'll find makes that lens the winner. Enjoy the purchase and post some pics when you get it!
That was pretty much my thought process

The 1.4x eats a stop. The 2.0x eats 2 stops

need more than that I'll just start playing lotto. Maybe I can get a 1200mm like Jim jennard . I think they make less than a dozen a year. Or maybe that was a dozen total. Then of course... Put a 2.0x extender on it
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Tripods?
Couldnt use tripods on the sidelines at night HS football games. Bad enough I carried 2 cameras and a fanny pack full of film rolls. Luckily the school had fast lenses for me to use. A 50 1.4 on on F3 and a 80-200 2.8 on the other F3. Only had one motor drive though. Usually had it on F3/50 combo. Had to run out of the way a few times. Really sucky part was I had to develop my own film PLUS 2 of the other school p-togs film since they didnt know how.

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That was pretty much my thought process

The 1.4x eats a stop. The 2.0x eats 2 stops

need more than that I'll just start playing lotto. Maybe I can get a 1200mm like Jim jennard . I think they make less than a dozen a year. Or maybe that was a dozen total. Then of course... Put a 2.0x extender on it
LOL.

I'm still using the 70-300mm IS, but as soon as I can, I'm going for the same exact lens as you, with the 2x extender for track pics. The money is beyond worth it.
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need more than that I'll just start playing lotto. Maybe I can get a 1200mm like Jim jennard . I think they make less than a dozen a year. Or maybe that was a dozen total. Then of course... Put a 2.0x extender on it
well, when you want a real lens you can get something like this.....


Nikkor super telephoto zoom 1200-1700mm


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well, when you want a real lens you can get something like this.....


Nikkor super telephoto zoom 1200-1700mm

Looks like a sigzilla

I really should go nikon. Bro in law has a large lens collection I know he'd let me borrow. But I like the feel of the canon more. Obviously neither is a slouch and you can't go wrong either way...
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canon has one too....I wasn't trying to start that war.



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Couldnt use tripods on the sidelines at night HS football games. Bad enough I carried 2 cameras and a fanny pack full of film rolls. Luckily the school had fast lenses for me to use. A 50 1.4 on on F3 and a 80-200 2.8 on the other F3. Only had one motor drive though. Usually had it on F3/50 combo. Had to run out of the way a few times. Really sucky part was I had to develop my own film PLUS 2 of the other school p-togs film since they didnt know how.

Really funny part is I had better gear than the local newspaper sports p-tog.
Yeah.

me thinking I can elbow in 3 stops is a lot like my belief that I can squint down perfect vision

that said you did that then cuz you had to. Almost all the pros use It now especially on the long stuff

look at the old bikes. Wanna go back to rock hard tires and dual bouncy shocks like they used to race on (well still do in some cases right? ) I imagine you wouldn't want to go racing a 600rr on a cb750

Everything moves on and this post has moved on since I started it on my phone an hour ago

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canon has one too....I wasn't trying to start that war.



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Familiar with that or . That's the one I mentioned earlier that Jim jennard (sp?) owns. He has a bit of money though. Being the founder of Oakley and all
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well, when you want a real lens you can get something like this.....


Nikkor super telephoto zoom 1200-1700mm



funny that he's shooting a Canon body...

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funny that he's shooting a Canon body...

Just gonna post that also.


BTW that lens is NOTHING . Heres how to hand held a large lens.

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