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#22 ·
This is definitely a case of "you need to slow down to go fast". That turn is one of the faster turns on the track. You could have easily made it, but you just bailed halfway through. If it's not you're confidence, then you need to slow it down and work on your skills. Get your body position right, get comfortable leaning the bike over, get your lines down, and your off roading should go away. Easier said than done, but as others have said, don't let that be an option.
 
#24 ·
take the gopro you have and move it to the tail of your bike pointing forward, it doesnt make great youtube trackday videos but it does show you what you are doing, and with the wide angle lens on the gopros you can see enough on the sides to know what corner you are in.
another suggestion I would make would be to take the lap timer off your bike, it seems like you pout a lot of emphasis on your lap times in that last post. I have a timer on my bike but I am far more concerened with the consistency of times lap to lap than i am with that actual times I am running.
 
#25 ·
Germany said:
If I read that right, you are doing the next Wednesday at BHF. If so look for Steve Alexander aka G2G, he is a CR. Ask him to show you a good line and also explain to him what your problem is, he is a excelent coach for BHF and can help you get you past your problem
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Its Uncle Steve now since they changed my screen name. But yes I can help ya but just like X said ur problem is with not looking ahead. Only you can change that unless I come by and smack you in the head if ur not doing it :neener:
 
#28 ·
Xian_13 said:
Not to split hairs here... (Which means, that is exactly what I am going to do)

I almost always advocate following a CR.
Just not with this situation.

If you would follow a CR to learn his line, you are going to just watch the CR.
The minute the CR is not there, you will be accustom to going faster... Then you will still freak out and go off into the grass... but now faster.

Definitely work with an instructor.
Have them assess you.
I just fear having them tow you, will lead to a crash.

-X
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X - If he's doing a MotoVid day, then this would be correct, as they differentiate between CR and Instructor roles/duties. If he's doing a NESBA day, then the CR/Instructor is one in the same.


Buell 1125 - you need to learn to TRUST your bike, and yourself. You said something about giving it more gas, and leaning more in your post. You don't really want to give it gas while you're trying to lean the bike over. Just make sure you're on the correct line and be smooth in your controls. You can give it maintenance throttle, but don't try to accelerate until you can reduce lean angle and can see your exit line/point.

Following a CR is a very good way to see the lines and push your comfort zone a little, but Xian is correct, once the CR waves you by, the decisions are now yours to make. Following a CR is the time to look for/learn your braking points, turn-in points, and line references, so that when you're on your own, you know what to look for.

When in doubt - LOOK THROUGH THE TURN AND LEAN THE DAMN BIKE!!! :cool

Take things one step at a time, and build your skills and knowledge BEFORE you try to go fast. The speed will naturally come as you improve your fundamentals.
 
#29 ·
When you run off the track the only thing preventing a crash is dumb fu*&ing luck.

There is no guarantee of traction, smooth passage or anything.



First ..... In the vid ..... you were on and off the throttle significantly a couple
times in the corner ..... that demonstrates the lack of a complete plan for
the corner and a lack of commitment. That will not work.


At the instant you feel that twinge...... "I might not make the corner" it's time
to IMMEDIATELY recommit fully.

Ease off the brakes ( if they are on )
TURN / DROP YOUR HEAD - Look past the exit
TURN THE BIKE
COMMIT


I *never* recommend running off,..... but in the end *if* you have to
you will have nearly completed the turn and will only run wide at the exit
rather that taking a straight fast path off the racing surface.


In 15 years of trackdays I have been off twice ......

once I brain-faded and drifted wide off at exit - my fault.

Once at BHF I chose to run straight at 6a after a close outside pass at the
entrance ..... I thought it would take the line away from the other rider.
The CR at the time (Fred) said .... I saw that .... thank god you didn't turn in.
I ran straight and braked HARD ...was at walking pace when I went off.
 
#31 ·
Following what these guys have all said... Commit to the corner and stay on the track. You're almost guaranteed to go down if you get to the grass. It hurts to crash on the grass. You're higher above the ground and the fall is longer. You also have a hard time predicting how you'll fall so you can't prepare/react. It hurts less to lowside. You're closer to the ground and you'll usually slide more than bounce.
 
#32 ·
Meh, I would run off the track about 2 times too, no worries. Just make sure you win the other races of the day. :laughing:

If you have race tires on and a well setup suspension, lean that thing over and be smooth and commit to the turn. It didn't even look like you were leaned over hardly at all. Start slow and add speed once you become smooth around the track, almost robotlike every lap.
 
Discussion starter · #34 ·
thanks for all the tips guys. yea i dont know what it is, i have rearset riser plates, and every turn i try positioning my feet differently and i still end up scraping my toe sliders most of the time. sometimes i will scrape my toe sliders and not my knee at all. i have the end of the peg placed under where my big/index toe meet the balls of my feet.
 
#35 ·
Buell 1125 said:
thanks for all the tips guys. yea i dont know what it is, i have rearset riser plates, and every turn i try positioning my feet differently and i still end up scraping my toe sliders most of the time. sometimes i will scrape my toe sliders and not my knee at all. i have the end of the peg placed under where my big/index toe meet the balls of my feet.
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Talk to a CR before going out next time, poor foot position is very easy to spot when following a rider.
 
#36 ·
Buell 1125 said:
thanks for all the tips guys. yea i dont know what it is, i have rearset riser plates, and every turn i try positioning my feet differently and i still end up scraping my toe sliders most of the time. sometimes i will scrape my toe sliders and not my knee at all. i have the end of the peg placed under where my big/index toe meet the balls of my feet.
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If you're dragging your toes you probably have two obvious things going on.

First, are you keeping the balls of your feet on the pegs, or are the pegs in the arches of your feet? If they're in your arches, then your toes are hanging way too low.

Second, is your body position correct? If you're not using proper body position and you're upright on the bike, then you're requiring the bike to lean further because your center of gravity is too high. Proper body position will allow for less lean angle for the same speed through a turn.

These are a couple of the fundamentals that need to be mastered BEFORE you try to go faster.
 
#38 ·
stkr said:
If you're dragging your toes you probably have two obvious things going on.

First, are you keeping the balls of your feet on the pegs, or are the pegs in the arches of your feet? If they're in your arches, then your toes are hanging way too low.

Second, is your body position correct? If you're not using proper body position and you're upright on the bike, then you're requiring the bike to lean further because your center of gravity is too high. Proper body position will allow for less lean angle for the same speed through a turn.

These are a couple of the fundamentals that need to be mastered BEFORE you try to go faster.
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This ^^^^^


It's body position.


Balls of the feet on the pegs.
Crack of your ass on the edge of the seat to the inside
Outside knee into the tank
Inside knee into the wind
Drop your chin to your inside hand or further



Tom
 
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