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http://money.cnn.com/2007/10/30/magazines/fortune/Oil_from_stone.fortune/index.htm
Think I might go buy me some Shell stock and go really long with it.

a couple excerpts.
Oil shale may finally have its moment
In a dusty corner of northwestern Colorado, an energy of the future is beginning to look like the real thing. Can oil shale work?

Spanning some 17,000 square miles across parts of Colorado, Utah and Wyoming, this underground lakebed holds at least 800 billion barrels of recoverable oil. That's triple the reserves of Saudi Arabia.

Vinegar has developed a cutting-edge technology that, according to Shell, will produce large quantities of high-quality oil without ravaging the local environment - and be profitable with prices around $30 a barrel. Now that oil is approaching $90, the odds on Shell's speculative bet are beginning to look awfully good.
 
Why...oh why is there such a search for different energy types that completely lack any infrastructure when there is PLENTY of oil to be had for many, many years to come:bangin
 
Why...oh why is there such a search for different energy types that completely lack any infrastructure when there is PLENTY of oil to be had for many, many years to come:bangin
Objectively answering that question:

It's a finite resource. The processes of converting that energy is inefficient at best.

Mother nature transfers plenty of energy around on an hourly basis without having to burn that nice gooey black stuff.

We have a lot of room for improvement in what and how we try to transfer energy from one form to another.
 
Objectively answering that question:

It's a finite resource. The processes of converting that energy is inefficient at best.

Mother nature transfers plenty of energy around on an hourly basis without having to burn that nice gooey black stuff.

We have a lot of room for improvement in what and how we try to transfer energy from one form to another.
It was not really meant as a literal question;)

Of course researching new energy resources is a good idea...however, it's this immediate rush to change for the benefit of the holy dollar and the voting public that just irks the hell out of me. Everyone knows that there is absolutely no way to remove the need for oil for at least half a century, and that's if we got on swapping the infrastructure immediately with a reliable substitute...both parts of that equation are a no go. There are plenty of oil reserves to fuel our needs for many many years...people need to stop pandering to "the future" (which is just that, the future options) and start focusing on updating our infrastructure to support the current very real need for oil!! The only other option to to decrease the size and reliability of our current vehicles...drastically changing our lifestyles:)
 
The only other option to to decrease the size and reliability of our current vehicles...drastically changing our lifestyles:)
not to pick out one small point..
not sure I understand

What does the size have to do with the reliability of our vehicles?
I for one think it'd be a great idea if we had smaller but moduler autos... maybe not even call them autos...
to put it way to simple.. like vehicles a bit larger than go-karts for one person to commute in, and ability to link together to form a larger vehicle.. sure its a way out idea.. but.. why do we need to push around 5000lbs of steel, rubber and plastic to move 1 x 175lb person?

as an aside.. imagine how much quicker and better handling a smaller form like this would be even with less power.. wait.. isnt that why we are all here?
 
I watched a newbie still wet behind the ears from Deloitte & Touche try this tactic on someone once. You should have seen the look on his face when later in that very same meeting he got a call from a regional bigwig asking why he was badgering a client's employees and embarrassing their own organization with such juvenile behavior. Needless to say he hung up his phone, collected his stuff and quietly left, never to return.
I've used that one over ten times successfully. Usually these @ssholes are hated by their coworkers as well. I think about 10 years experience makes me a little past a newbie, but not as obsolete as you. Maybe your company needs some consulting? Face it Arch I'm an unsigned long int and your an 8 bit char.
 
I've used that one over ten times successfully. Usually these @ssholes are hated by their coworkers as well. I think about 10 years experience makes me a little past a newbie, but not as obsolete as you. Maybe your company needs some consulting? Face it Arch I'm an unsigned long int and your an 8 bit char.
Arrogance and stupidity all in the same package. How efficient.
 
not to pick out one small point..
not sure I understand

What does the size have to do with the reliability of our vehicles?
I for one think it'd be a great idea if we had smaller but moduler autos... maybe not even call them autos...
to put it way to simple.. like vehicles a bit larger than go-karts for one person to commute in, and ability to link together to form a larger vehicle.. sure its a way out idea.. but.. why do we need to push around 5000lbs of steel, rubber and plastic to move 1 x 175lb person?

as an aside.. imagine how much quicker and better handling a smaller form like this would be even with less power.. wait.. isnt that why we are all here?
MPG is quickly becoming a key design point...given current engine restrictions and limitations, the only option to get to that most holy of numbers (40 mpg) is to radically change the design of the cars...imagine a whole shit load of Aveo's running around (PUKE) ...and for what? Political hacks to appear "green friendly". It's all a load.:)

Arrogance and stupidity all in the same package. How efficient.
That argument ain't worth the Charmin extra soft you wipe your butt with:laughing
 
MPG is quickly becoming a key design point...given current engine restrictions and limitations, the only option to get to that most holy of numbers (40 mpg) is to radically change the design of the cars...imagine a whole shit load of Aveo's running around (PUKE) ...and for what? Political hacks to appear "green friendly". It's all a load.:)



That argument ain't worth the Charmin extra soft you wipe your butt with:laughing
My SV650 gets GREAT gas mileage.. Even when I flog the shit out of it.
and ... it's relatively quick... faster than most of the v8 cars out there at least...
and from what I hear.. they are reliable as hell

So screw the Aveo.. go get an SV :)
 
My SV650 gets GREAT gas mileage.. Even when I flog the shit out of it.
and ... it's relatively quick... faster than most of the v8 cars out there at least...
and from what I hear.. they are reliable as hell

So screw the Aveo.. go get an SV :)
Now that's a platform I would vote for!

:laughing
 
Nice rant on the subject.. from "wakeupfromyourslumber.com" whatever the hell that is...
Kinda long...

OIL prices aren't rising - the US dollar is plummeting!
I don't like cursing. But, this is f*cking ridiculous.


Oil traders increased BETS that December futures will reach $125 a barrel because of possible disruptions to Middle East supplies and rising demand.

Here we are (us, Americans), day after day, listening to the media tell us all about how "traders" are "trading" oil at ever higher prices because they're a-scared of this shortage or that disruption, or this crisis, or that air strike.

And all the while we watch anxiously, preparing to cut back on our gasoline or dish out more dollars for our commutes.

Well, I have news for you.

When someone "BETS" that something is, or is not, going to happen and then, based on that bet, buys or sells IOUs for other people's tangible goods, they're not "traders," they're f*cking bookies.

They call themselves "traders" because they want to be admired, not despised.

But, two-bit bookies is all they are.

Didn't any of you see the movie "Trading Places" with Eddie Murphy and Dan Akroyd??? Billy Ray will tell you!

We pay higher prices not because of REAL crises or REAL shortages but BECAUSE of IMAGINED shortages, and ANTICIPATED disruptions, many of which NEVER HAPPEN.

In short, we PAY for their uncontrolled hysteria and their insatiable GREED.

Traders held call options to buy 2,526 contracts, each representing the right to buy 1,000 barrels, of December oil at $125 in New York as of Oct. 29, from 1 lot on June 29, New York Mercantile Exchange data show. BETS on $100 oil are also surging: Traders held options to buy 49.7 million barrels of December oil at that price on Oct. 30, up from 30 million barrels on Jan. 2.

Crude oil for December delivery rose to a record $96.24 a barrel in New York today, the highest since the futures began trading in 1983. Prices have soared 19 percent the past month as demand pared inventories, a weaker dollar spurred investors to switch into commodities, and political tension in Iran and Iraq attracted speculative buying.

"A few years ago, when triple-digit oil was talked about, it was tempered by negative responses," said Anthony Nunan, deputy general manager of risk management at Mitsubishi Corp. in Tokyo. "Slowly, it's becoming a reality. It's not crazy anymore, it's a reasonable target."

The fact is, these insane spikes in the price of oil have far less to do with supply and demand of OIL than they have to do with the supply and demand of DOLLARS.

With the dollar plummeting down to the pits of hell, people are dumping it left and right.

All that money has to go somewhere - after all, MONEY WAS NOT MADE TO STORE UNDER YOUR COUCH!

These traders know that! So, instead of storing it under their couch, where it just sits there without "appreciating," they "store" it by "buying" something of value (anything but the dollar, which is worthless).

Since the real estate market is officially DEAD and BURIED (because people can defer buying a house), they choose to "invest" their "money" in the types of commodities that they know that people CANNOT LIVE WITHOUT - thus, oil (and food) is perfect (last I checked a gallon of milk was $4).

So, that's what it all boils down to - the price of oil is skyrocketing not because oil is getting more "expensive," but because the dollar is becoming WORTHLESS.

Next time someone tries to convince you they're "traders," tell them that you know better.

They're f*cking bookies and it's not the oil, it's the funny money.
 
Now that's a platform I would vote for!

:laughing
Sadly we couldn't do "ride my duc" or "ride my aprilia" because they get terrible mileage...

I think the record for my duc was a 50 mile tank of gas...
riding laps up and down LSD one night.. Rarely off full throttle :)
The good old days.. I probably wasn't any faster.. but I certainly was a lot less skeered :)
 
http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/Dispatch/WhatTheFallingDollarMeansForYou.aspx

What the falling dollar means for you
The mighty U.S. dollar has tumbled over the past five years and is likely to keep falling. Here's how it could change your life.

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Exchange Rates Currency US Dollar
British Pound to US Dollar 2.112379
Euro to US Dollar 1.471237
Japanese Yen to US Dollar 0.008886
Canadian Dollar to US Dollar 1.075616

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Thinking about a trip to Europe? Start saving. Because of the weakening U.S. dollar, travel overseas is becoming more expensive.

Even if you don't plan a globe-trotting vacation, the falling dollar may cost you. If the slump gets out of control, it could mean inflation and much higher interest rates for Americans.

The dollar has steadily lost value compared with other major currencies since the end of 2002. Result: The euro has risen more than 70% against the dollar. The Canadian dollar, affectionately known as the loonie, is up more than 60% -- to parity for the first time in more than 30 years. The yen is up about 16%.

The dollar is falling partly because Americans import way more goods than they sell abroad -- especially oil -- and must borrow to close the gap. Another factor: Higher interest rates in Europe and elsewhere make those countries' currencies more valuable.

Consider how this affects your life:

The downsides
Pain at the gas pump will get worse. While growing global oil demand is pushing prices higher, here's the dollar angle: Crude oil is priced in dollars, and oil producers, especially members of the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries, want to be compensated for the dollar's decline.

In most years, the price of crude oil and gasoline declines in the fall. But this year, AAA's daily price survey shows regular unleaded gasoline at about $2.79 a gallon nationally, up 21% from a year ago.

Jim Jubak: Big banks about to lower the boom

You may need to stay home. Let's say you went to Paris in early 2002 and paid 100 euros a night for a room in a moderately priced hotel. That was the equivalent of about $86 a night.

Today, that room would cost $142 a night, a 65% increase.

Ditto for neighboring Canada. Keep that in mind if you want to attend the 2010 Winter Olympics in Vancouver.

Your dream BMW costs more. The base price of a BMW 3 Series sport sedan has risen about 20% over the past five years, The Wall Street Journal reported this week. It's likely to go up more.

Though BMW and other automakers may accept lower profits to stay in the U.S. market, the lower dollar boosts prices for imported food, shoes, chemicals and the like. European governments worry that a dollar in free fall could be a disaster even for Germany, Europe's strongest economy.

And if price competition eases, U.S. companies could gradually charge more for products they sell at home.

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Interest rates will rise. Somehow, the U.S. has to finance its trade and government deficits, and, at some point, the investors who provide the cash will want to get paid.

The lenders are banks, pension funds and governments in Europe, China, Japan and oil-producing nations. These investors showed their potential muscle over the summer, when many balked at the terms for purchases of mortgage securities and junk bonds that Wall Street banks wanted to sell.

But there are upsides
U.S. exports will get a boost. The weaker dollar is a boon for U.S. manufacturers because it makes their products more competitive abroad.

One company that sells bakeware made at a factory in Minnesota expects its exports will grow 50% this year because of the weaker dollar, according to The Wall Street Journal.

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Lay out the welcome mat for foreign tourists. Visitors to the U.S. will find their cash goes further than before, potentially helping the travel business.

The Greater Fort Lauderdale Beachmobile -- a sandbox on wheels that promotes warm beaches and suntans -- usually goes to New York in winter to drum up business for south Florida. This year, it's going to London.

''It's almost un-American, but every time the dollar drops a little lower, it looks a little better for tourism in the U.S.,'' Nicki Grossman, the president of the Fort Lauderdale tourism bureau, told The Miami Herald.

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Of course, foreign investors want to buy what they see, pushing property prices higher in key markets like New York.

The falling dollar should help U.S. stocks. All of the companies in the Dow Jones Industrial Average ($INDU, news, msgs) are big multinationals. Each time one of them translates a profit from, say, Europe, the weaker dollar adds to the bottom line. For example, IBM Corp. (IBM, news, msgs) reported that quarterly revenue rose 9% from a year earlier. Without currency changes, the gain was about 6%.

The weaker dollar is one reason the Dow gained 684 points, or 5.1%, in the 10 trading sessions from Sept. 18 through Monday, when it smashed through 14,000 for the second time in 2007.

Jim Jubak: Kuwait kicks sand on the dollar

This rosy scenario is good at least until the dollar drops so low that U.S. interest rates start to rise. When that happens, things could get nasty -- which is another story.
 
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/071109/economy.html?.v=5

The weak dollar isn't all bad. The trade deficit is what economists and politicians have been bitching about for the last few years. This is econ 101 stuff. A weak dollar is actually good for the US manufacturing sector, which could use some help.

US Trade Deficit Falls As Dollar Weakens
Friday November 9, 12:31 pm ET
By Martin Crutsinger, AP Economics Writer
Falling Dollar Spurs Foreigners to Buy American Goods, Pushing Exports to Record Level

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The U.S. trade deficit fell to the lowest level in 28 months as a falling dollar spurred U.S. exports to an all-time high. The deficit with China jumped to the second highest level on record as imports of toys and other goods surged despite a rash of safety recalls.

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The Commerce Department said Friday that the deficit for September dipped by 0.6 percent from the previous month -- to $56.5 billion. That was the narrowest trade imbalance since May 2005 and took economists by surprise. They had been forecasting the deficit would rise.

The improvement came from a 1.1 percent jump in U.S. exports, which climbed to a record $140.1 billion. The dollars' decline against many major currencies has made U.S. goods cheaper and more competitive in foreign markets. For September, sales of American-made cars, computers and farm products including corn, cotton, wheat and soybeans were all up.

Imports also rose in September, climbing by 0.6 percent to $196.6 billion, the second highest level on record. Imports of foreign-made cars, televisions and clothing were all up. Oil imports, however, fell by 0.8 percent to $10.5 billion, an improvement that is likely to be temporary given the recent surge in oil prices to close to $100 per barrel.

The deficit with China rose 5.5 percent to $23.8 billion, second only to a $24.4 billion deficit in October 2006. Imports surged to the second highest level on record, pushed up by big gains in imports of Chinese-made televisions, cell phones, computers and toys as retailers stocked their shelves for Christmas.

Those gains were occurring despite a string of high-profile recalls of Chinese products this year -- everything from toys with lead paint to defective tires and chemical-tainted toothpaste and pet food ingredients.

Through September, the trade deficit is running at an annual rate of $703.4 billion, down by 7.4 percent from last year's $758.5 billion. Analysts believe that surging exports from a weaker dollar will lead to a narrowing of the deficit for the full year, breaking a string of five consecutive records.

Critics of President Bush's trade policies say that even with the narrowing of the deficit this year, the imbalances are still running at unsustainable levels, forcing the United States to depend more and more on foreigners' willingness to hold dollars to finance the imbalances.

While a falling dollar is good for exports, it raises worries that at some point foreigners will be less willing to purchase dollar-denominated investments such as U.S. stocks and bonds. Such a change in sentiment could send stock prices plunging and push up U.S. interest rates.

The administration scored its first congressional victory on trade this week when the House passed a free trade agreement with Peru. However, approval of three other deals with Panama, Colombia and South Korea are expected to face tougher challenges in Congress.

For September, America's foreign oil bill dropped by 0.8 percent to $10.5 billion reflecting a drop in volume. The average price for a barrel of imported crude rose to a record $68.51 in September and is expected to climb even higher with the recent spike in spot oil prices, which traded this week near $100 per barrel.

The imbalance with the European Union dropped a sharp 37.1 percent to $6.4 billion. The dollar has fallen to record lows against the 13-nation euro currency, which means that U.S. products are cheaper in those markets while European goods are more expensive for American consumers.

The deficit with Canada, America's largest trading partner, dropped by 3.2 percent to $4.9 billion while the imbalance with Mexico fell 9.3 percent to $6.3 billion.
 
Anyone read this?

Oil leaders' private debate televised by mistake
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/world/story/0,,2212899,00.html


Tim Webb in Riyadh
Sunday November 18, 2007
The Observer


'Kill the cable, kill the cable,' shouted the security guard as he burst through the double doors into the media room at the Intercontinental Hotel in Riyadh, followed by Saudi police. It was too late.
A private meeting of Opec leaders, gathered this weekend in Riyadh for the cartel's third meeting in its 47-year history, had just been broadcast to the world's media for more than half an hour after a technician had mistakenly plugged the TV feed into the wrong socket. The facade of unity that the cartel so carefully cultivates to a world spooked by soaring oil prices was shattered.


Sometimes, such innocent mistakes can have far-reaching economic and political consequences. Commodity and currency traders said this weekend that oil prices would surge again tomorrow - possibly breaking the $101 per barrel record set in the late 1970s - while the already battered dollar would fall further on the back of the unintentional broadcast.
On Friday night, during what the participants thought were private talks, Venezuela's oil minister Venezuela Rafael Ramirez and his Iranian counterpart Gholamhossein Nozari, argued that pricing - and selling - oil using the crippled dollar was damaging the cartel.

They said Opec should formally express its concern about the weakness of the dollar when the cartel makes its official declaration at the close of the summit today. But the Saudis, the world's largest oil producers and de facto head of Opec, vetoed the proposal. Saud al-Faisal, the Saudi foreign minister, warned that even the mere mention to journalists of the fact that leaders were discussing the weak dollar would cause the US currency to plummet.

Unfortunately his words and those of everyone at the meeting were being broadcast via a live television feed to a group of astonished reporters. 'I couldn't believe it,' said one who was there. 'When I realised they didn't know they were being broadcast live, I frantically started taking notes.'

Opec only realised that the leaders' row was being broadcast to the world when the Reuters news agency put out a report of the argument.

The weakness of the dollar is one reason why oil prices are so high, as cartel members seek to compensate for their lower earnings. This means a further drop in the dollar is likely to be accompanied by a rise in oil prices.
 
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