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Hayden's Times Improve, but Stoner Still Fastest

Stoner fastest again at Valencia

By Pablo Elizalde Wednesday, November 7th 2007, 17:38 GMT


Casey Stoner stayed on top of the timesheets on the second and final day of testing at the Valencia circuit, where teams began preparations for the 2008 season.

The world champion covered 55 laps with his Ducati to finish nearly four tenths of a second ahead of Honda's Nicky Hayden, again second quickest in the revised RC212V bike.

"We found something extra during these tests," said Stoner. "Straight away yesterday, second lap out, we went a lot quicker than we did in the race on Sunday and we just kept going from there.

"Today we kept getting faster and faster. We weren't really trying to do that, we had a lot of tyres and things to test, so we weren't out there trying to do lap times, but everything just seemed to come to us quite easily.

"It's been a fantastic season for us and it's really good to end this test with some positives and some more information which the Ducati technicians can take back to Bologna, knowing that we've got something more to work with and knowing the right direction in which to head."

Hayden's teammate Dani Pedrosa, was fourth quickest after 88 laps of the Spanish circuit.

The Repsol Honda riders were split by Randy de Puniet, who showed he is adapting quickly to Honda machinery following his switch from Kawasaki. The Frenchman was third fastest after 83 laps.

Rizla Suzuki's Chris Vermeulen completed the top five, while new teammate Loris Capirossi finished as seventh fastest on his second day of work with the Japanese team.

Spaniard Jorge Lorenzo was again the fastest of the MotoGP newcomers, in 11th position, while Andrea Dovizioso in the new JiR Team Scot squad and Alex de Angelis in the Honda Gresini finished in 14th and 15th respectively.

Pos Rider Team Time Laps
1. Stoner Ducati Marlboro 1:32.095 55
2. Hayden Repsol Honda 1:32.434 92
3. de Puniet Honda LCR 1:32.625 83
4. Pedrosa Repsol Honda 1:32.718 88
5. Vermeulen Rizla Suzuki 1:32.979 88
6. Hopkins Kawasaki 1:33.058 59
7. Capirossi Rizla Suzuki 1:33.163 64
8. Elias Pramac d´Antin 1:33.294 74
9. Nakano Honda Gresini 1:33.465 92
10. Guintoli Pramac d´Antin 1:33.571 80
11. Lorenzo Fiat Yamaha 1:33.588 69
12. West Kawasaki 1:33.695 99
13. Melandri Ducati Marlboro 1:33.835 87
14. Dovizioso JiR Team Scot 1:33.991 82
15. de Angelis Honda Gresini 1:34.060 84
16. Aoki Rizla Suzuki 1:35.043 61
17. Guareschi Ducati Marlboro 1:35.840 59
 

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too bad Hayden was on the 2007 212v. They had problems with the new motors electronics so he couldn't use 5th or 6th gear to their potential on the 2008.
 

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too bad Hayden was on the 2007 212v. They had problems with the new motors electronics so he couldn't use 5th or 6th gear to their potential on the 2008.
That was on day 1. He was also running the 16.5" rather then the 16" ... or do I have that backwards? Either way, he was .9 faster over race day with the wheel size change alone on the '07.

Day two (the times listed above), he was riding the '08


Nicky Hayden put in yet another monster working day, running 92 laps, or 3 race distances, taking the 2nd fastest time, and showing that the 2008 RC212V already has plenty of potential.



For comparison purposes, here are the fastest lap times for each rider during the race, and their qualifying times

Valencia Fastest Lap Of The Race For Each Rider
1 26 Dani PEDROSA HONDA 1'32.748
2 27 Casey STONER DUCATI 1'32.775 0.027 0.027
3 21 John HOPKINS SUZUKI 1'33.064 0.316 0.289
4 14 Randy DE PUNIET KAWASAKI 1'33.199 0.451 0.135
5 33 Marco MELANDRI HONDA 1'33.244 0.496 0.045
6 4 Alex BARROS DUCATI 1'33.347 0.599 0.103
7 1 Nicky HAYDEN HONDA 1'33.435 0.687 0.088
8 65 Loris CAPIROSSI DUCATI 1'33.463 0.715 0.028
9 71 Chris VERMEULEN SUZUKI 1'33.598 0.850 0.135
10 46 Valentino ROSSI YAMAHA 1'33.696 0.948 0.098
11 50 Sylvain GUINTOLI YAMAHA 1'33.759 1.011 0.063
12 24 Toni ELIAS HONDA 1'33.811 1.063 0.052
13 7 Carlos CHECA HONDA 1'33.913 1.165 0.102
14 5 Colin EDWARDS YAMAHA 1'33.985 1.237 0.072
15 56 Shinya NAKANO HONDA 1'34.137 1.389 0.152
16 6 Makoto TAMADA YAMAHA 1'34.159 1.411 0.022
17 80 Kurtis ROBERTS KR212V 1'34.768 2.020 0.609
18 13 Anthony WEST KAWASAKI 1'34.802 2.054 0.034


Valencia Qualifying Practice Time
1 26 Dani PEDROSA HONDA 1'31.517
2 27 Casey STONER DUCATI 1'31.603 0.086 0.086
3 1 Nicky HAYDEN HONDA 1'31.903 0.386 0.300
4 14 Randy DE PUNIET KAWASAKI 1'31.963 0.446 0.060
5 50 Sylvain GUINTOLI YAMAHA 1'32.074 0.557 0.111
6 6 Makoto TAMADA YAMAHA 1'32.151 0.634 0.077
7 21 John HOPKINS SUZUKI 1'32.165 0.648 0.014
8 65 Loris CAPIROSSI DUCATI 1'32.261 0.744 0.096
9 7 Carlos CHECA HONDA 1'32.273 0.756 0.012
10 33 Marco MELANDRI HONDA 1'32.367 0.850 0.094
11 71 Chris VERMEULEN SUZUKI 1'32.617 1.100 0.250
12 4 Alex BARROS DUCATI 1'32.714 1.197 0.097
13 56 Shinya NAKANO HONDA 1'32.730 1.213 0.016
14 24 Toni ELIAS HONDA 1'32.790 1.273 0.060
15 5 Colin EDWARDS YAMAHA 1'33.021 1.504 0.231
16 13 Anthony WEST KAWASAKI 1'33.231 1.714 0.210
17 46 Valentino ROSSI YAMAHA 1'33.290 1.773 0.059
18 80 Kurtis ROBERTS KR212V 1'33.431 1.914 0.141
19 57 Chaz DAVIES DUCATI 1'34.436 2.919 1.005
 

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That was on day 1. He was also running the 16.5" rather then the 16" ... or do I have that backwards? Either way, he was .9 faster over race day with the wheel size change alone on the '07.

Day two (the times listed above), he was riding the '08
You have that right. Hayden switched to the 16.5" rim and was .9 seconds faster on the 2007 a day after the final race compared to his actual race time.
 

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You have that right. Hayden switched to the 16.5" rim and was .9 seconds faster on the 2007 a day after the final race compared to his actual race time.
Ok. So based on that, he is still .5 faster on the old bike.

CEII ran the 16" several times this year and he didn't like it.
 

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CEII ran the 16" several times this year and he didn't like it.


Does it matter? Colin might outride me one handed, but seriously what has he done in gp in his career ? Podiumed 3rd a couple times? Go back to WSBK or AMA. :rant:
 

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Does it matter? Colin might outride me one handed, but seriously what has he done in gp in his career ? Podiumed 3rd a couple times? Go back to WSBK or AMA. :rant:
For whatever reason coughEquipmentcough he seems to be in a downward spiral in MotoGP. He has had some good qualifying times though.
I would like to see CEII eventually go back to WSBK if only for some good battles. Canyou imagine if he was offered the tenKate ride instead of Checa and we would have seen some battles featuring CEII vs Bayliss vs Haga with a little Biaggi mixed in.
All that said, Colin has said he wouldn't go to WSBK.
 

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For whatever reason coughEquipmentcough he seems to be in a downward spiral in MotoGP. He has had some good qualifying times though.



He might not get EXACTLY what Rossi gets, but non the less he WAS getting factory parts. If the guy has a hard time finishing in the top ten on a factory bike, what do you think he will do on Tech 3 in 08?


Personally, I think Toseland will get better results then CE next season, we'll see.
 

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CEII would rather have his skin peeled off then go back to WSBK - his words.

CEII is one of the best tire development riders Michilen has ever had. He pioneered the 16.5" front. That's why it matters.

CEII has been Yamaha's test mule this whole year that's why his results suffered so badly. When he finishes out of the top 5 or 7 its the equipment. They had him running the 16" too often. His equipment was rarely the same as Rossi's and you can locate those races when it was the same by looking at the results.

When you keep a factory ride for 3 years that says something. And when the factory moves you to a satellite team and doesn't cut your pay - and keeps you on the factory payroll, that says even more. He is a very valuable asset to Yamaha and Michilen.

I think he will do a well on the Tech 3 team if he is not doing so much development work, but being on the factory payroll may require it.
 

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He might not get EXACTLY what Rossi gets, but non the less he WAS getting factory parts. If the guy has a hard time finishing in the top ten on a factory bike, what do you think he will do on Tech 3 in 08?


Personally, I think Toseland will get better results then CE next season, we'll see.
You have much to learn about old CEII:)

CEII would rather have his skin peeled off then go back to WSBK - his words.

CEII is one of the best tire development riders Michilen has ever had. He pioneered the 16.5" front. That's why it matters.

CEII has been Yamaha's test mule this whole year that's why his results suffered so badly. When he finishes out of the top 5 or 7 its the equipment. They had him running the 16" too often. His equipment was rarely the same as Rossi's and you can locate those races when it was the same by looking at the results.

When you keep a factory ride for 3 years that says something. And when the factory moves you to a satellite team and doesn't cut your pay - and keeps you on the factory payroll, that says even more. He is a very valuable asset to Yamaha and Michilen.

I think he will do a well on the Tech 3 team if he is not doing so much development work, but being on the factory payroll may require it.
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CEII is one of the best tire development riders Michilen has ever had. He pioneered the 16.5" front. That's why it matters.





I agree,CE is a great test rider for Michelin and Yamaha but that does'nt win races. Thats what matters when it comes down to it.:2cents:
 

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I agree,CE is a great test rider for Michelin and Yamaha but that does'nt win races. Thats what matters when it comes down to it.:2cents:
It amazes me that Careless Chucker got the Ten Kate ride. The Zombie informed us in a recent interview that he thinks he got it 'cause he was willing to ride for little money, but I think it has more to do with his 2nd place in the Suzuka 8hrs.

Btw, have you seen the full 2002 WSBK season? I'll loan it to you if you haven't. Do you know what happened to Colin in the middle of that championship winning season? He was fired by Honda.
 

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It amazes me that Careless Chucker got the Ten Kate ride. The Zombie informed us in a recent interview that he thinks he got it 'cause he was willing to ride for little money, but I think it has more to do with his 2nd place in the Suzuka 8hrs.

Btw, have you seen the full 2002 WSBK season? I'll loan it to you if you haven't. Do you know what happened to Colin in the middle of that championship winning season? He was fired by Honda.



Justin I have seen it, thanks for the offer though.:cheers:
 
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